Hi all, my situation didn't involve misdiagnosis but rather delay in surgery. I was actually correctly diagnosed by an ER resident at my local hospital, rather than just tell me it was the same degenerative disc I had been affected by, she performed a rectal exam and my response made her think of CES. She had never seen it but learned about it in medical school, she referred me to a larger hospital nearby for an MRI at 6p.m. the same day and the MRI confirmed the diagnosis of cauda equina syndrome. The ER resident in the new hospital consulted with her boss (a neurosurgeon) and advised that I was being scheduled for emergency surgery that night. That was Tuesday at around 9:30p.m. however I didn't have surgery until Thursday at 1p.m. The reason provided to me was that my condition was not 'life threatening', meaning people who were at risk of dying were getting the operating rooms. However the hospital has a policy that after 48 hours of waiting, a 'non-emergency' patient must got to the top of the list so I was operated on approximately 48 hours after the first diagnosis of CES. After my surgery my husband asked my neurosurgeon if it was correct that a delay in operating (and removing the disc from the CES nerves) could affect the time and amount of recovery for a CES patient. My doctor dismissed this completely and said one had nothing to do with the other. I really am a 'glass half-full' person but after 18 months of doing everything I can to recover I'm starting to think that the delay to operate did in fact create more nerve damage requiring more nerve regeneration which has not occurred. I'm fortunate, I can get around but have lots of pain, burning, etc. I call CES the three Bs's - bowel, bladder and balance! I'm wondering if anyone knows for sure if wait time after diagnosis to surgery has an impact on the amount of recovery or the time frame for recovery. Any info would be appreciated.
I'm glad the hospitals here didn't really neglect you like our members. I know for regular spinal cord injuries it's recommended as soon as possible but I'm not sure what the time frame is for degenerative disc diseases. To be honest I think 2 days is pretty quick compared to what some of our other CES experienced. Whether or not the 2 day wait made a difference, I don't know, but it couldn't be so!
Should have added that the surgery consisted of a lumbar laminectomy L3-L4 and a bilateral discectomy L3-L4. I was in hospital for 9 days and went from (at home) wheelchair to walker to crutches to walking (or as I call it 'the CES shuffle) in about three months. No real progress since then and some lessening of functioning in secondary areas.
katydid, if you're continuing to lose function even after the operation something's not right. Where have you been losing function? Have you notified your surgeon about it?
Welcome katydid! DJ is correct in that you should notify your surgeon. I have read info that sometimes regression occurs, but not often. I know I'm at 12 months recovery now and I pester my neurosurgeon with any negative change. Found out I have torn a tendon in my right ankle - regression in pain caused my to ask the question "Is this right or not?". Went to an Orthopedic Podiatrist and found the answer. Unfortunately, that means another surgery out there in the future to correct it. For the time being, I'm just going with a brace. It is, however, negatively affecting my walking as I have just recently had a spurt of improvement which has greatly helped my walking ability.
katydid...my understanding of CES and timing of surgery is that for the best potential of less damage and more recovery is within 48 hours.
This is the recommendation although sometimes it can go a little beyond that time. I was diagnosed 3 weeks after visiting my doctors with the typical red flag signals (which they ignored). I was then operated on as an emergency on the day i was diagnosed but damage was done then.
As DJ mentioned, if you are experienced worsening symptoms you should discuss this with your consultant just in case another disc is causing a problem.
I guess I should clarify, my cauda equina symptoms are not getting worse, as far as I know. As you likely know, it's hard to determine from one day to the next if the toe/foot numbness, pins and needles, pain, FREEZING cold is better or worse from one day to the next.
At about my 14 month post-surgery mark I was finding that I was experiencing significant ankle and knee pain. I knew what was causing it but wasn't sure I could do anything about it. I have been walking unsupported for quite a long time but my balance is horrible, therefore when I walk and when I stand (i.e. in line somewhere), I lock my ankles and knees so after months of this I was really stressing out those joints.
On a whim I asked about orthotics, mainly because I have coverage. I was referred to an orthotist and a pedorthist and I was fitted not only for orthotics but also for AFO's (ankle-foot orthotics). In Ontario a program called ADP (Assistive Devices Program) pays for 75% of the cost of the AFO's and the client pays the balance. My AFO's are fixed but I found out recently I could also have had hinged AFO's which might have been better.
Regardless, once I bought the 4E width shoes required to use with the AFO's I couldn't believe what a difference a couple of pieces of molded plastic and some velcro hinges could make in how I walked and in my ability to stay balanced. I try to not overuse them and rotate with regular shoes with orthotics and occasionally just regular shoes, (never can wear a heal again, must always wear flats). However my home has mostly ceramic tiles and the heel pain that occurs as a result of walking on my floors without some sort of cushion is crazy!
Here's the question I asked my pedorthist though, "why is it that I the patient have to find out about AFO's by accident, why isn't this option widely know and why didn't one of my doctors suggest it?".
I am noticing though that I'm starting to lock my knees and ankles again while wearing the AFO's and am trying to be conscious of it when I do it and to correct myself. Old habits die hard I guess.
Yeah the nerve pain is frustrating, I feel like it's getting worse for me each day
Here's the question I asked my pedorthist though, "why is it that I the patient have to find out about AFO's by accident, why isn't this option widely know and why didn't one of my doctors suggest it?".
Great question katydid and that's something my family and I have noticed as well. No one does or suggests what's good for us without us asking! I have no idea why but something isn't right somewhere. It's good to hear that ADP covers 75% of the cost of the AFO's though
Cauda equina syndrome is considered a surgical emergency because if the pressure is not released quickly, the sufferer can be left with permanent, severe disabilities such as paralysis or permanent damage to the nerves of the bladder and bowel. ...
What must you prove in order to establish medical negligence? ...
I live in Texas and in Texas, the law favors doctors, hospitals, and insurance companies over patients. I contacted a few different attorneys and was told the same thing -- and that was that even though I had a good case, it wouldn't be worth it to take the doctor and hospital to court. In truth, attorney's are not going to take a case unless a person is young (I was 61) and will have to have expensive continuing treatment for many, many years. Texas caps "pain and suffering" payments to $250,000 and if the economic damages are not great, it's just not worth it for attorney's since they will have to spend a lot of money on preparing for the case to go to court - including the cost of medical experts to review the case and then to testify. Plus -- in Texas, you only have 2 years after discovering your medical injury to take the surgeon/hospital to court. The day after I was discharged from the hospital after having L5S1 TLIF (fusion) surgery, I diagnosed myself as having Cauda Equina Syndrome. I had two clear symptoms that the hospital nurses, the surgeon's physician's assistants and hospital "hospitalists" either ignored or were clueless about -- I was incontinent (I pee-ed all over myself as I was dressing after being cleared for discharge from the hospital) and the morning following discharge, I realized that I was numb between my legs. After getting back into bed, I "Googled" my symptoms and CES popped up. I immediately called my surgeon's office and was told that I couldn't have CES because I wasn't in great pain (I had just gotten off morphine and was still taking heavy doses of pain medication because of the surgery). One would think that on an orthopedic surgery floor at a large urban hospital, the nurses, PA-Cs and hospitalists would have been trained to spot the red flags of CES. After dropping my surgeon because of his failure to acknowledge my condition and treat it accordingly (by the way, I later discovered that my surgeon had even written an article about the "Red Flags of CES" on the internet site, Spine Universe), a spinal cord injury specialist ended up diagnosing my condition. He told me that it was "pretty bad" that the patient had to diagnose herself. It was clear by the time I dropped my surgeon that he knew that he had made a mistake but simply hoped that things might improve. I eventually obtained my surgery records and discovered that indeed, a complication had occurred during my surgery (the spinal cord dura was torn and had to be repaired). The report from the neurologist who was remotely following my surgery (a technician was monitoring my nerves in person) indicated that the electrical impulses that had been working properly at the start of the procedure never returned to "normal" and the surgeon had been notified of this. I'm using non-medical terms here but I'm assuming you all understand this process. I also ended up with an infection in my spine and had to have another operation to clean out the wound a week later then I had to have intravenous infusions of antibiotics twice a day for six weeks in order to make sure the infection was cured. Before reading my surgery records, I had assumed that my CES was the result of this infection. A year ago, a neurosurgeon that I ended up going to finally told me that it was his opinion that the surgeon just basically smashed my cauda equina nerves when hammering in the screws of the "cage" that was being put in my spine. I guess I'll never know exactly what caused it but for sure -- it was the result of my surgery as all of the symptoms that I have now were not there prior to the surgery.