Just a quick update on the fiasco with my pain management. I still have not be able to get the MRI. My insurance company blames it on the doctor not getting them info and the doctor blames it on the insurance company. I lose! I had them send in another request and I will pay for it myself if need be but it is rather expensive. They did put me back on Norco because I told them the morphine was making me a total zombie and I refuse to take it. So, as of now I have an MRI scheduled for 06/04/2015 but who knows.
I have come to realize that these doctors and insurance companies just do NOT care! I am going to call Brooks Rehab Facility in Jacksonville, FL. I haven't had an MRI in 16 years and would like to know if any changes have occurred and if so is there something we can do to get rid of all pain meds. The PM doctor looked at me yesterday and said "you do know there is no cure for an SCI don't you?". I said, well DUH! I lived this for 19 years and I am beginning to think I know a little more than the doctors here in Florida. She wasn't impressed.
Am I asking to much here? I have done very well since my injury but things have worsened over the past 6-12 months and at 47 years old I am not ready to just say that is it, nothing can be done. The PM doctor just looked at me, did not touch me or ask any pertinent questions and said I was lucky because I look just fine. I said thank you but I am not worried about how I look, I am worried about how I feel!
Just a quick update on the fiasco with my pain management. I still have not be able to get the MRI. My insurance company blames it on the doctor not getting them info and the doctor blames it on the insurance company. I lose! I had them send in another request and I will pay for it myself if need be but it is rather expensive. They did put me back on Norco because I told them the morphine was making me a total zombie and I refuse to take it. So, as of now I have an MRI scheduled for 06/04/2015 but who knows.
I have come to realize that these doctors and insurance companies just do NOT care! I am going to call Brooks Rehab Facility in Jacksonville, FL. I haven't had an MRI in 16 years and would like to know if any changes have occurred and if so is there something we can do to get rid of all pain meds. The PM doctor looked at me yesterday and said "you do know there is no cure for an SCI don't you?". I said, well DUH! I lived this for 19 years and I am beginning to think I know a little more than the doctors here in Florida. She wasn't impressed.
Am I asking to much here? I have done very well since my injury but things have worsened over the past 6-12 months and at 47 years old I am not ready to just say that is it, nothing can be done. The PM doctor just looked at me, did not touch me or ask any pertinent questions and said I was lucky because I look just fine. I said thank you but I am not worried about how I look, I am worried about how I feel!
As long as you look good you must be fine. I get this a ton and it's hard not to be pissed off about it. I wish these people would be honest and just admit they no s*** about SCI's. Instead they act like pompous demigods. "
She almost had me feeling like I was just asking too much to feel semi-normal for a change. This is the first appointment that my wife had been to in a while and she could not believe it. She was more livid than I was. We spent over two hours for a 10 minute speech. I am too old and head strong to give up so everyone be prepared for my rants over the next few months LOL
She almost had me feeling like I was just asking too much to feel semi-normal for a change. This is the first appointment that my wife had been to in a while and she could not believe it. She was more livid than I was. We spent over two hours for a 10 minute speech. I am too old and head strong to give up so everyone be prepared for my rants over the next few months LOL
I'm with kilg0retr0ut, that's ridiculous what she was saying! You're asking for what you need; some kind of relief. There doesn't need to be a cure for spinal cord injuries to get some relief. I can't believe she said that to you.
It is amazing what some of the doctors say these days. It pissed me off but the wife was about to come unglued LOL. I am hoping I can get the MRI this week and then I will work on the referral to Brooks Rehab Facility in Jacksonville where people actually know how to deal with SCI patients, or so I hope LOL
Post by acrobatinmydreams on Jun 27, 2015 12:14:13 GMT -8
Did you have a stimulator trial jeff1967, My experience was totally different. The PA (I saw on Wednesday) mentioned the return that the test subjects and compared it to that as he was sheepishly grinning and said "although I can make no guarantees for you. He never once mentioned the statistics which I now know. They have a 9% success rate for injuries more than 20 years old and a 20% complication rate according the medical journals.
This goes along with what Dr Falci at Craig said when hes said the implantables were simply a waste of my time and might exacerbate my condition.
United is one of the most horrendous insurances there is for SCI. One of the hospitals I worked at had United as their carrier for employees. Everything was denied even my Cymbalta but that was many years ago when Cymbalta was new.
I wish I had seen this thread before that appointment on Wednesday, I would have definitely made him explain it. I feel like he was just out to sell something. He was young and only been in interventional clinic for a couple of years touting his work in Medical School of a rotation on a spinal cord injury unit.
Just FYI you cannot have an MRI without removing the implantable device if you have one. That means an invasive surgery just to have routine medical testing. I am all for new technology and progress but I worry all this interventional stuff has not been thought through enough as to the side effects it can cause later down the road.
Did you have a stimulator trial jeff1967, My experience was totally different. The PA (I saw on Wednesday) mentioned the return that the test subjects and compared it to that as he was sheepishly grinning and said "although I can make no guarantees for you. He never once mentioned the statistics which I now know. They have a 9% success rate for injuries more than 20 years old and a 20% complication rate according the medical journals.
This goes along with what Dr Falci at Craig said when hes said the implantables were simply a waste of my time and might exacerbate my condition.
United is one of the most horrendous insurances there is for SCI. One of the hospitals I worked at had United as their carrier for employees. Everything was denied even my Cymbalta but that was many years ago when Cymbalta was new.
I wish I had seen this thread before that appointment on Wednesday, I would have definitely made him explain it. I feel like he was just out to sell something. He was young and only been in interventional clinic for a couple of years touting his work in Medical School of a rotation on a spinal cord injury unit.
Just FYI you cannot have an MRI without removing the implantable device if you have one. That means an invasive surgery just to have routine medical testing. I am all for new technology and progress but I worry all this interventional stuff has not been thought through enough as to the side effects it can cause later down the road.
I haven't done the trial and will probably pass on that option. The nurse practitioner that originally suggested this and then sent in the doctor/salesman said there was a high success rate. I am in sales so I know how to take that pitch with a grain of salt. Show me real statistics and not just numbers off the top of your head.
The doctor that I have seen at pain management (same place as above) has not even mentioned it and I am not going to either. If someone can prove to me that it is a sure thing then I will entertain the idea again. My back is screwed up enough as it is and I am not taking any chances for it to get even worse before its time.
My only reservation is the statistics for those who are 20+ years post. The success rate in that group drops to 9% and the complication rate bumps up to 20%. For my circumstances, surgical intervention (de-tethering of adhesive arachnoiditis) has a 50% chance of providing relief. The statistics are different depending on which condition they are treating.
My only reservation was that the PA explaining things to me was cavalier about his stats and his "all we can do is try it to see if it works for you". I was looking for some real statistics too.
Has anyone here had one?
It seems the Medtronic trials were four male complete SCI patients. I just wonder how well it would work on an incomplete SCI rather than just someone with spinal neuropathic pain. It seems scar tissue and the amount of it one would have would play a huge part in whether good results verses bad results were achieved.
Spinal cord stimulators, abbreviated SCS, can cause many more problems that paralysis. They can cause pain, tethering of the cord, scarring of the battery pack that can slide across the back, infection that may cause death, and many other complications. Electrodes may not always be able to be removed and remain permanently scarred into the cord. Deeply troubling is that an MRI can never be done again even if the patient has cancer or stroke —none of my patients remember being told about this. Where are the five year studies that show benefit? Even with no complications, how long do they continue to relieve pain? Electrodes move and/or they malfunction. There is little to no federal investment in medications that relieve pain, but these devices are garnering sales of $1.5 billion annually without showing lasting benefit. This is a very big source or income for pain specialists, but what is the gain for patients? How can we weight the pros and cons of this money generating device? . So many of my patients that have failed the small handful of medications now available for chronic pain were given only one choice by every major pain center: spinal cord stimulator. One choice. This is a very big business but where is the five year data?
50% to 70% of patients who have screened positively for this treatment report substantial back pain relief. Very few patients enjoy complete symptomatic relief, but the majority report a significant reduction in the severity of their pain.
About half of the patients who report positive initial results from SCS suffer a relapse in their pain within a year. This shows that the pain relieving qualities may not be long-term in many patients and the entire feeling of pain relief might actually be the result of a placebo reaction.
Symptomatic recurrence or escalation may also elude to a nonstructural source of pain, since the mind can alter psychogenic symptoms in reaction to treatment attempts. Basically, the mind will merely move the symptoms elsewhere to avoid the symptom blocking mechanism of SCS.
acrobatinmydreams has been a wealth of knowledge to me on this particular subject as well as many others. We are lucky to have her on board here and her knowledge from her medical background.