phugoi1982 I hope you can get answers so you can find resolve. It sounds like your chart was flagged and you might be getting a royal run around. It happens. It doesn't sound like CESR to me but more like an incomplete or CESI. but hey, CES anything isn't what any of us bargained for. It's hard enough to have a devistating change in physical function alone, yet get treated poorly for it. Drs have big egos and don't like diagnosis that are elusive. And especially diagnosis like Caude Equina Syndrome with a high rate of lawsuits that follow.
Chroli, what you say about his chart possibly being 'flagged' and doctors skirting issues that could be fodder for later lawsuits sounds logical. Once bitten, twice shy. Doctors who have either been sued or listened to a colleague's ordeal are likely strategizing for their own professional survival ahead of caring for the optimal patient benefit.
My biggest fear is that the Urologist will do the Urodynamics and tell me I have a neurogenic bladder (which I already know) and no reason for it and not give me Neurology follow up at Mayo. That makes me nervous because the Urology appointment is the only one I have since their Neurology/Neurosurgery unit rejected me which says to me they are not impressed by MRI's either past or current in being a potential culprit in my symptoms. I made it very clear to Mayo that i'm not looking for a diagnosis but rather a cause for my Neurogenic Bladder and ED. Ideally, a Neurologist should image the entire sacral spine using Diffusion Tensor Imaging MR-Neurography. WIth this tech you can actually see nerve function. One thing I keep trying to emphasize to doctors is even if I had Cauda Equina syndrome with a normal MRI, my surgery in 2014 would've resulted in only two possibilities: 1) The nerve function improves and/or completely resolves or 2) There is no improvement in bladder/sexual funciton. However, my bladder function is deteriorating so whatever process is happening is getting worse so that either means surgery has not resolved the problem or they have not properly addressed the disc herniation.
Sometimes, I wish as well that I "looked" more disabled and in pain. The problem is like I've said before I have no weakness and I walk fine yet I've struggled with spasticity in my legs that I've been compensating for so no one notices but legs feel tight and like they are being squeezd all the time. In fact, this happened right after I injured my back in 2004. The neurologist found clonus and hyperreflexes and suspected MS because he said disc bulge won't cause this. But they imaged me for 3 years (full spine and brain and spinal tap) and it was always normal. What angers me is that when nothing showed up on the MRI I was immediately send to a psychiatrist and told I'm a hypochondriac and my symptoms were a "manifestation of my inability to cope with college and life". Total BS. Anyway, the strange thing is eventhough this "spastic" feeling has gotten worse the neurologists don't see it anymore. I have a totally normal exam. They also feel MS can be completely exclused now since my exam is not only normal but 13 years have passed since initial abnormalities and if I had had MS I would show way way more signs and symptoms which I suppose I can agree with.
Again, the predominant symptoms I have now are extreme back pain and stiffness at L5-S1, leg and ankle tightness and stiffness, at the bottom of my feet, and no normal sensation in my bladder. All I feel in the bladder is pain like a muscle being torn and stretched. And of course, complete loss of sensitivity at the "head" of my penis. This was happened during the peak of my back pain 2 months before surgery yet was dismissed as stress. Anyway, hopefully I will get an answer because it is becoming increasingly more depressing living like this watching everyone around me have a life.
One thing I resolved to do regardless of what the doctors at Mayo prove, I am going to to seriously try to go after all the doctors and psychiatrrists who dismissed me and tried to have m committed to a mental asylum. I can forgive the Neurologists who didn't find the culprit but I can't forgive the Urologists who refused to do the Urodynamics 14 years ago which would've given the neurogenic bladder diagnosis 14 years ago and when the doctors could've tried surgery when my symptoms were much much milder. Anyway, sorry for rambling. I get very angry when I think of how I was treated. Thanks again for the well wishes!!
It seems to be normal procedure that when doctors cannot find what they consider to be justifiable cause for someone's complaints to dismiss the patient as a psych problem. Once in a while you will hear one say "I just don't know" but usually they cover themselves by blaming the patient. You are right to be infuriated by it. It is also way too normal for diagnoses to be delayed by years, allowing symptoms to worsen. Patients are very often labeled as trouble-makers actually seeking drugs. Once this is in a patient's chart it can become almost impossible to get goo care or pain relief. All I'm saying is that you are not alone in this and usually, at least, docs at mayo are not disposed to blaming to patient for their symptoms. I'll keep fingers crossed for you. Wait, they are too curled up for that.
Phugoi, I've seen where someone (probably more than one) has written, "Make them fix your chart!" But, in my experience, other than changing your height, weight, whether your leg is amputated above the knee or below the knee, and which vertebrae is broken, it's almost impossible to get some things changed on medical records. Probably, at best, a doctor will put (in fancy terms) that you don't have such-and-such "at present", but what the previous doctors put will still be on the record. Getting your medical record corrected and your reputation restored to its rightful place may be an exercise in futility. The doctors control the charts.
So I am finally back from Mayo Clinic with an update that should hopefully be excellent news. First off, I was seen by Dr. Hussman in Urology who was the former chair of the Dept. I underwent a Urodynamics and Cysto-Urethrogram and everything came back NORMAL. I was totally baffled by this but Dr. Hussman assured me that I no longer have a neurogenic bladder and this is excellent because despite my previous Urodynamics test showing a highly underactive bladder It's completely fine. I also asked him to test my bulbocavernosus reflex which was normal as well. This visit left me really perplexed because I wondered how I could have had loss of sensation with an abnormal test result and then more loss of sensation with a normal result. He subsequently referred me to Dr. Sandroni in Neurology who is an autonomic specialist.
She was absolutely wonderful. Brilliant and took time to contemplate my story and again look through all my old MRIs and said my back problems could not be causing my issues. Also, said based on my current MRIs there was no way I should be in this much pain and that the pain was likely muscular. She said my Cauda Equina was and is clean as a whistle based on the time lapse of MRIs I brought. She did a thorough neurological exam which was NORMAL except for extreme muscle tightness in my pelvic area which no other doctor noticed. She thinks Pelvic Myalgia is the source of my symptoms and that itself probably caused the abnormal urodynamics result which wasn't really abnormal but induced by the extreme tightness in my muscles. She referred me to a wonderful Physical Therapist who did the most comprehensive physical therapy exam i've undergone who seemed to confirm her findings and said all my pelvic floor muscles are very tight and spasmed. Probably the initial injury caused spasming of those muscles that was never addressed and the microdiscectomy itself that I had in 2014 made things worse.
I've been referred to a good pelvic floor therapist in Boston who can hopefully address my symptoms. I am a little skeptical that something muscular could cause ED and loss of sensation but I really really trust these doctors here at Mayo. The Neuro assured me I'm neurologically completely normal and that i don't have autonomic dysfunction either. She never dismissed me though. And the physical therapist assured me the tightness i have in the pelvic floor muscles is more than enough to induce ED and loss of bladder sensation and discomfort. As far as the Urodynamics testing, i'm going to trust Mayo over Lahey Clinic in Boston. With all the testing done and normal results it is looking more and more like I never had a spinal cord injury and that I might have been wrong blaming the Neuros for not doing surgery earlier. However, I'm furious not one doctor even considered the possibility of my problems being Neuromuscular and instead I suffered for years with no treatment.
Anyways, I appreciate all the support on this forum and will definitely try to get the most out of the pelvic floor therapy and hopefully with time this nightmare will be over.
And the physical therapist assured me the tightness i have in the pelvic floor muscles is more than enough to induce ED and loss of bladder sensation and discomfort. ;
You've only been asking for an explanation of your condition so that you can improve it or accept it, as the case may be. I had something no one could "see" once, long before SCI. I had a "floater" in one eye. It's a black speck that floats around inside the eyeball,.. very distracting, especially when newly acquired. In times past, it might have sounded like a person's "imagination" was getting the better of them. But by putting drops in the eye to dilate the pupil, an eye doctor could see exactly what I described, even the shape of the object. Having had this experience, I've concluded that often "science" has some catching up to do, and until it does, it finds it easier to "blame the victim" than to admit its own cluelessness.
I live in the country of Sigmund Freud. SCI do not exist in this country although I had a friend who fell from a tree and broke his back when he was a child. From then on he was paralyzed from the waist down. He died 5 years ago.
I also know some other folks who are using wheelchairs. But most of them are classified neurological, functional, hysterical, somatoform ...
Please consider the legal aspects of SCI. Doctors usually do not like diagnosis with a high rate of lawsuits to follow as someone mentioned above.
Good to hear that you have found new therapeutical options. I am also glad to hear that your reflex has come back. So something has improved. Other improvements might follow.
But be aware of doctors that are too nice and friendly. They might consider ICD-10 F45 and take you for a ride.
I can't elude my interpreter past. Specific code icon 2017 ICD-10-CM Diagnosis Code F44.0 www.icd10data.com/ICD10CM/Codes/F01-F99/F40-F48/F44-/F44.0 Dissociative amnesia Clinical Information A disorder characterized by a retrospective gap in memory of important personal information, usually of a traumatic or stressful nature; the memory loss far exceeds ordinary forgetfulness and is not the result of substance use or the consequence of a medical condition.
I can't elude my interpreter past. Specific code icon 2017 ICD-10-CM Diagnosis Code F44.0 www.icd10data.com/ICD10CM/Codes/F01-F99/F40-F48/F44-/F44.0 Dissociative amnesia Clinical Information A disorder characterized by a retrospective gap in memory of important personal information, usually of a traumatic or stressful nature; the memory loss far exceeds ordinary forgetfulness and is not the result of substance use or the consequence of a medical condition.
Thank you, Vintage. I deleted F44 my previous post. This was a mistake.
Info: Characteristic are multiple, recurring, and frequently changing physical symptoms lasting at least two years. Most patients have had a long and complicated patient career, both in primary care and in specialized medical centers, where many negative investigations and unsuccessful explorative operations can be performed. The symptoms may refer to any part of the body or system of the body. The course of the disorder is chronic and fluctuating and is often associated with a long-term disorder of social, interpersonal and family behavior. A short-term (less than two years) and less conspicuous symptomatics are better classified among icd F45.1 Undifferentiated somatization disorderF45.1 (undifferentiated somatization disorder).
So, basically, the doctors in question never want to call a person's paralysis "permanent". And a paralyzed person becomes responsible for proving, over and over, that he/she is still paralyzed. Have I understood the gist of what the medical system is doing there?