I'm curious since we have a group here of people from all around the world, how state-supported is where you live. Here in the UK I guess we are quite lucky. Most spinally injured people get "disability living allowance" amounting to about 180 US dollars a week, regardless of your income or personal circumstances. You can trade some of that for a wheelchair accessible vehicle through a scheme called Motability. Care is normally fully funded through the NHS or government social services department, or a combination of both. Wheelchairs are also provided up to a certain value, but the standard of that service varies a lot across the country. There is support available to get disabled people back to work, which might include funding for adaptations et cetera. You can apply for a grant for home adaptations.
Interested to hear about your parts of the world, and your circumstances.
We're in Australia, I don't get any allowances for my son given my income, however all his medical needs and hardware needs are looked after by a program called MASS (Medical aids subsidy scheme) on top of that we have our private health insurance which provides him with extra physio services he really does need above and beyond what the govt supply us with. Wheelchairs are provided every five years, his first one was paid for by the subsidy scheme, but I forked for a better one for him plus a few extras he couldn't otherwise get through the scheme such as his Batec and handcycle.
on top of that we have our private health insurance which provides him with extra physio services he really does need above and beyond what the govt supply us with.
Hi Nathan. Did you have private insurance before his injury? Is it typical in Australia for people to have a mixture of state support and private? Is physio routinely provided? Here there is physio as part of the rehab program in spinal injuries units but not beyond.
on top of that we have our private health insurance which provides him with extra physio services he really does need above and beyond what the govt supply us with.
Hi Nathan. Did you have private insurance before his injury? Is it typical in Australia for people to have a mixture of state support and private? Is physio routinely provided? Here there is physio as part of the rehab program in spinal injuries units but not beyond.
Yes to all your questions, we have an excellent state health system, but we also have the option of private insurance, we can then elect private system or public, or even private patient in a public hospital. Physio is provided for as long as deemed necessary, given his age (9) he is provided with more physio than an adult in his situation, but we also get access to extra via our private insurance.
Post by determined1 on Jul 25, 2017 6:05:14 GMT -8
I live in Tennessee. My insurance is private and so far, it has been awful. I now know how people can go bankrupt because of medical bills. I'm about 10 months from getting Medicare and the government fighting about healthcare reform really strikes a nerve with me. My current insurance runs out in November and I have no idea where to turn for that month until 2018 kicks in with a new insurance.
I'm curious since we have a group here of people from all around the world, how state-supported is where you live. Here in the UK I guess we are quite lucky. Most spinally injured people get "disability living allowance" amounting to about 180 US dollars a week, regardless of your income or personal circumstances. You can trade some of that for a wheelchair accessible vehicle through a scheme called Motability. Care is normally fully funded through the NHS or government social services department, or a combination of both. Wheelchairs are also provided up to a certain value, but the standard of that service varies a lot across the country. There is support available to get disabled people back to work, which might include funding for adaptations et cetera. You can apply for a grant for home adaptations.
Interested to hear about your parts of the world, and your circumstances.
zambi, hi there. I'm also a Brit and clearly we have a lot to be grateful for...but let's not get too carried away. I'm in receipt of a wage replacement benefit called Employment Support Allowance. I'm only 58 but 2 years ago an Occupational Health Specialist ruled it'd be unlikely l'd be able to work again before my normal retirement age of 66. I've had a battle to get this benefit and had to be reassessed a few months ago. It'll happen again in three years time, even though my spinal condition is progressive. Fortunately I'm pretty good at negotiating this stuff but many more are going through hell. Re DLA, which the Tories are switching over to something called Personal Independent Payment, likewise many have and are going through hell. It's targeting the most vulnerable and is disgraceful.
It's so sad here, Zambi, that I don't even want to get started telling you. I'll be reading your Thread though. Good subject.
I agree with vintage nothing good to say so I will keep my mouth shut. interested in others opinions.
ok, its not all bad, I do get enough money to survive through social security disability insurance, which is less than $20,000/year, since I am currently unable to work. the medical ins. issues range from horrible to satisfactory, so it isn't all bad, just not totally horrendous care. it took me 2-1/2 months to get my power wheelchair repaired, and I had to pay a copay of 15% of total cost. it could be worse so I should be satisfied.
So this is my understanding of how it works in the US: post-injury, if you have worked enough quarters, you get SSDI. If you haven't worked enough, you get SSI. If your SSDI is below a certain level, you can maybe get both.
Depending on (again) how many quarters you've worked, you can qualify for Medicare (which will be deducted from your SSDI payments). Medicare will pay 80% for DME that they agree is necessary. If you have secondary coverage, they might pick up the balance. Maybe. If they feel like it. They don't help with transportation. They will cover home care (nursing and therapies) if you are considered homebound and if your doctor writes a prescription. Medicare does not cover any PCA services at all.
Medicaid, which is much better about covering DME than Medicare, is income and savings dependent - basically, you can't have any of either. Medicaid will cover some transportation costs - ie, to medical appointments. Sometimes medicaid covers PCA services and sometimes not - it depends on the state you live in and how well funded they are.
If you can work and choose to work, you have to keep your earnings below a certain level (some of which can be done by deducting costs for things you need in order to work) or you lose SSDI/SSI/Medicare/Medicaid.
Vocational rehabilitation will cover things like driving evaluations and (depending on income and assets) vehicle adaptions.
In most states service delivery is very fragmented and it's super tricky to get all your ducks in a row. It takes many people years. And this is one of the advantages of the big name rehabs - they provide some ongoing case management and it really helps to get set up.
I agree with vintage nothing good to say so I will keep my mouth shut. interested in others opinions.
ok, its not all bad, I do get enough money to survive through social security disability insurance, which is less than $20,000/year, since I am currently unable to work. the medical ins. issues range from horrible to satisfactory, so it isn't all bad, just not totally horrendous care. it took me 2-1/2 months to get my power wheelchair repaired, and I had to pay a copay of 15% of total cost. it could be worse so I should be satisfied.
Sam, just know that the power chair situation could be worse. In early March my DME got urgent Rxes for repairs. In May, when my power chair threw me twenty feet down a ramp (known issue, y'all!), breaking both my legs, the DME hadn't submitted the urgent orders to the manufacturer or Medicare. They submitted them yesterday when the case manager from my rehab stomped them. Parts should be in in 14-18 weeks. And then they have to get em on the repair schedule.
So this is my understanding of how it works in the US: post-injury, if you have worked enough quarters, you get SSDI. If you haven't worked enough, you get SSI. If your SSDI is below a certain level, you can maybe get both.
Depending on (again) how many quarters you've worked, you can qualify for Medicare (which will be deducted from your SSDI payments). Medicare will pay 80% for DME that they agree is necessary. If you have secondary coverage, they might pick up the balance. Maybe. If they feel like it. They don't help with transportation. They will cover home care (nursing and therapies) if you are considered homebound and if your doctor writes a prescription. Medicare does not cover any PCA services at all.
Medicaid, which is much better about covering DME than Medicare, is income and savings dependent - basically, you can't have any of either. Medicaid will cover some transportation costs - ie, to medical appointments. Sometimes medicaid covers PCA services and sometimes not - it depends on the state you live in and how well funded they are.
If you can work and choose to work, you have to keep your earnings below a certain level (some of which can be done by deducting costs for things you need in order to work) or you lose SSDI/SSI/Medicare/Medicaid.
Vocational rehabilitation will cover things like driving evaluations and (depending on income and assets) vehicle adaptions.
In most states service delivery is very fragmented and it's super tricky to get all your ducks in a row. It takes many people years. And this is one of the advantages of the big name rehabs - they provide some ongoing case management and it really helps to get set up.
all of this also depends on age, my understanding is older ones(over 65) get more benefits than middle aged folks like myself, depending on income. all my relatives say I should be getting more help, but ive checked numerous times and the answer has been no, currently I could get medi-care, on a managed plan. the monthly amount I would have to pay before medi-care would pay is $916.00, which is impossible for me to pay. so I am currently on a Obamacare plan that is private hmo plan.
So this is my understanding of how it works in the US: post-injury, if you have worked enough quarters, you get SSDI. If you haven't worked enough, you get SSI. If your SSDI is below a certain level, you can maybe get both.
Hey thanks a lot for that. I had to read it three times – pretty damn complex for you guys over there! Does SSDI pay more than SSI? Do you mean that because of things like wheelchairs and hoists/hoyer lifts are deducted from income payments you would have got under SSDI?
So personal care is hardly ever covered under either? Excuse my ignorance, but how would a high-level quadriplegic for example manage?
Sam, your family is right. Something is wrong with what's happening to you with Medicare. You should be eligible for original Medicare A&B (and all the advantage plans) 24 months after SSDI started, and Medicare A&B (at least where I live) cost about $250/month. You might try talking to a local ILC and see if they have an expert (ie volunteer attorney or social worker) who can figure it out.
The amount you get from SSDI depends on your pre-injury earnings. SSI is capped.
I don't know how high-level quads manage. Either paying out of pocket or family and/or friends doing all personal cares or medicaid nursing homes. There is a medicaid program to move folks out of nursing homes into private residences that will supply PCAs and modify bathrooms, help subsidize equipment (hoyer, hospital bed rentals) but in many states there is a waiting list - you can be eligible for the program but it's full, and so you have to wait until there's an available slot. In some states that waiting list is seven years long. Other states just close the list and open it for brief periods for folks to sign up. Vocational rehabilitation has the same kind of funding issues - you can qualify for services and not receive them for years because the funding is exhausted by the existing client load.
Oh, and equipment isn't deducted from SSDI or SSI income, but you have to be able to pay the copayment for purchase or rental, which - my power chair cost $34k. When it needs replaced in a couple of years, Medicare will pay 80% of what they determine is a reasonable cost. Depending on the DME's contract with Medicare, I will have to come up with either 20% or the entire balance. The last time my power chair needed repaired, they billed Medicare slightly under $7000, Medicare paid $1900, my secondary carrier picked up $1200, I paid $380. It was very confusing and I actually toted the whole bill over to a volunteer at one of the local ILCs and they fought the DME on my behalf. Medicaid just pays for the equipment outright, but that's because it's an income based program and you pretty much aren't allowed to have enough money to pay the copays etc.