Hey guys, following on from the ongoing discussion about care and knowledge in the hospital following becoming Spinal Cord Injured, i have put together this poll.
We thought it would provide a little more information and be useful....please tick the two comments that most apply to your experience in the hospital post operation. Some individuals may have had family communication on their behalf but as the information was aimed at yourself then where its say 'I' you can use this for your reply still, even though a family member/members may have been given the info.
Please feel free to add comments and thankyou for participating
Overall, the care was good, and they made sure to find a psychologist to talk to, and she helped keep me from getting depressed. The staff wasn't very knowledgeable about SCI. The hospital I went to this last September was amazing, however. My pre-op and post-op care was spectacular. And my neurosurgeon and urologist are awesome.
The care I received for my initial condition was not good at all, but after surgery it was very good and rehab was great
Thanks for participating Butiki....was this all at the same hospital?..
Overall, the care was good, and they made sure to find a psychologist to talk to, and she helped keep me from getting depressed. The staff wasn't very knowledgeable about SCI. The hospital I went to this last September was amazing, however. My pre-op and post-op care was spectacular. And my neurosurgeon and urologist are awesome.
Thankyou to you too Knight and its great to hear another positive
Just to add..my experience was pretty bad..i had an emergency operation in the middle of the night...two weeks later is still hadnt been told by any member of staff that i had a Spinal Cord Injury...The care i received was very poor. I was kept very unclean and i was unable to wash myself..i developed a UTI and DVT within the first week post op...they did not pick up on the DVT...the UTI was from a very dirty indwelling catheter and they presumed that i had bowel incontinence because of stomach bug
Post by thenextstep on Nov 15, 2013 16:12:16 GMT -8
My response is on behalf of my daughter, and I've voted accordingly. That aside, a few of the possible responses applied, so it would have been easier to divide the questionnaire into possibly 4 separate questionnaires (and still not covered the lot).
As I'm an observer of my daughter's treatment from inception, and privy to daily conversation as well as personal observation, I'll provide comments from my perspective with reasons.
In Australia there's a constant fight between State & the Federal Government regarding funding for Public Health. As a consequence hospitals are understaffed and more often than not inadequately managed. Most hospitals have beds that 'are closed'. For example, the principal spinal care hospital in Melbourne, the Austin Hospital, has an entire wing of the ICU unused (about 12 beds), so injured patients in other hospitals have to wait until the used section has an available bed.
Also because of the lack of funding, the level of care is generally substandard with one nurse having to attend a greater number of patients. My daughter had a 'code blue' when her ventilator line disconnected when there were no nurses on the ward.
The Doctors have a tendency to destroy patients hope before they've even had a chance to recover from their physical injuries by telling them they'll never move or walk again. They've been proven wrong on countless occasions. I personally know several who can now attend to a lot of their own care and can stand and walk with the help of crutches or frame.
In the case of severe high cervical spine injuries with an apparent quadriplegic outcome, they ask the family or patient "Does he/she want to live?" then giving them the worst imaginable prognosis. I can cite two recent cases where, having destroyed the injured persons hope of recovery during the worst possible time (within days or a couple of weeks of their accident), the patients were sedated and allowed to die.
Following my daughter's accident I was told every day for the first 13 days that she wasn't going to live, then, when she was transferred to the Austin, the first question I was asked on arrival, "Does she want to live?" I told the Doctor he was asking the wrong person and that he had to ask her. He did ... telling her that she'd be in hospital for at least 12 months, she'd have a lot of pain, and then she'd be in rehabilitation for about 12 months. She elected to live.
I could probably write a book about what happened from the time of her accident, but will leave it at that for this forum.
Hi Lara, no I was treated in 2 hospitals and rehab, at first I presented at Alice Springs Hospital where I was diagnosed with sciatica after 4 presentations I went paralyzed, I was flown 1500 kms south to The Royal Adelaide Hospital for surgery and then after 2 weeks in the spinal unit I was transferred to Hampstead Rehab Centre, in Adelaide, then after 4 months transferred back to The Alice Springs Hospital then after 6 weeks I went home
Either one of us are not qualified to answer this. Hindsight is always perfect, but who really knows if the paramedics did a proper job or the helicopter who lifted her to Sunnybrooke or the surgeon for fused her neck together or the day to day nurses etc ... etc .... etc. .....
Either one of us are not qualified to answer this. Hindsight is always perfect, but who really knows if the paramedics did a proper job or the helicopter who lifted her to Sunnybrooke or the surgeon for fused her neck together or the day to day nurses etc ... etc .... etc. .....
lonewolf, the poll is asking about the level of care and info on spinal cord injuries received while you were at the hospital
Great responses everyone, it's interesting seeing the different experiences!
Personally, other than being told that I'll never walk again (which is true at the moment but doesn't mean it always will be) the care and the information on spinal cord injuries I've received was great so shouts out to Toronto Western Hospital Before getting to Toronto Western, I was initially sent to South Lake hospital which is the local one and was the closest hospital which also happened to be a terrible hospital! They misinformed us badly by telling my parents I was perfectly fine even though they knew I had a spinal cord injury and they never let my parents see me for many hours. They left me untreated for many hours claiming that they were doing scans which they already finished doing. They told us that I was going to get air lifted to another hospital because they didn't have a surgeon specialized in this field and they ended up sending me in an ambulance. South Lake Hospital (Located in Newmarket) is about an hours drive away from Toronto Western Hospital (Located in Toronto) so you can imagine how bumpy roads are and all the vibrations I sustained while traveling by ambulance. Anyways, bottom line is South Lake is not a Hospital anyone should go to. I've heard many bad stories from others about this hospital as well.
My accident was at home (population 2,000 or so) and consequently the emergency responders are all volunteer. We have a small hospital here and naturally that is where I was taken once they assessed my situation. The ER team there did a wonderful job in the critical early minutes after the accident. They knew immediately once I arrived that my condition needed a level I trauma team - nearest one 100 miles away. They immediately called for helicopter transport and during the time waiting for it to arrive they did X-rays and a ct scan to transmit to the trauma center so they knew what was coming.
Upon arrival there, their team re-confirmed the X-rays and ct scans. They then conducted an MRI to assess spinal cord damage. The good news started at that point when results showed only bruising and no tearing, ripping, severing or the like. At that point they changed their treatment plan to repair the fractured C2,C3,C4. They decided. To wait several days before the fusion surgery to allow time for the spinal cord to 'cool down'. The surgery went as expected and was completely successful. A halo was installed to keep the neck immobilized for the next 3 months. (Coming off next week!!)
During all phases of the process at the trauma center, I and all family members, were kept fully informed of the situation, what the risks were and the purpose of the procedure. This center also is a teaching hospital so whenever the doc were there explaining to me they were also explaining to the trailing interns. By the way, the interns were also very good, particularly with their bedside manner. I got the impression that is a key part of the teaching process here.
As for my local hospital, they too, did everything correctly and kept us informed along the way. They knew it was well beyond their skills - except for the initial response and actions......keep me immobilized, don't move the head, etc,etc. The trauma center credited the actions of the local team for the results that have taken place. I have full functionality of all limbs, bowels have returned and bladder is now coming back. I will still have months of strength and coordination recovery but things are progressing well!
My response is on behalf of my daughter, and I've voted accordingly. That aside, a few of the possible responses applied, so it would have been easier to divide the questionnaire into possibly 4 separate questionnaires (and still not covered the lot).
As I'm an observer of my daughter's treatment from inception, and privy to daily conversation as well as personal observation, I'll provide comments from my perspective with reasons.
In Australia there's a constant fight between State & the Federal Government regarding funding for Public Health. As a consequence hospitals are understaffed and more often than not inadequately managed. Most hospitals have beds that 'are closed'. For example, the principal spinal care hospital in Melbourne, the Austin Hospital, has an entire wing of the ICU unused (about 12 beds), so injured patients in other hospitals have to wait until the used section has an available bed.
Also because of the lack of funding, the level of care is generally substandard with one nurse having to attend a greater number of patients. My daughter had a 'code blue' when her ventilator line disconnected when there were no nurses on the ward.
The Doctors have a tendency to destroy patients hope before they've even had a chance to recover from their physical injuries by telling them they'll never move or walk again. They've been proven wrong on countless occasions. I personally know several who can now attend to a lot of their own care and can stand and walk with the help of crutches or frame.
In the case of severe high cervical spine injuries with an apparent quadriplegic outcome, they ask the family or patient "Does he/she want to live?" then giving them the worst imaginable prognosis. I can cite two recent cases where, having destroyed the injured persons hope of recovery during the worst possible time (within days or a couple of weeks of their accident), the patients were sedated and allowed to die.
Following my daughter's accident I was told every day for the first 13 days that she wasn't going to live, then, when she was transferred to the Austin, the first question I was asked on arrival, "Does she want to live?" I told the Doctor he was asking the wrong person and that he had to ask her. He did ... telling her that she'd be in hospital for at least 12 months, she'd have a lot of pain, and then she'd be in rehabilitation for about 12 months. She elected to live.
I could probably write a book about what happened from the time of her accident, but will leave it at that for this forum.
Wow...thenextstep...i find it extremely disturbing that there is even a suggestion to patients and patient's family of the question of allowing patients to die...This is wrong on every level. Seriously, what is their place and authority to be presuming so much when we all know that every single person with a Spinal Cord Injury is unique to their own recovery
Good for our daughter that she opted to live..as is her right to...i cant imagine the anxiety that you must have all gone through as her family ..we have an interesting thread which you may like to read. It discusses a very similar situation and is what led to this poll...
Thankyou for sharing and i appreciate that the poll isnt perfectly presented. The responses had to be simplified and indeed could have formed more than one poll which is why we have hoped and encouraged that people would add replies to offer additional information
Hi Lara, no I was treated in 2 hospitals and rehab, at first I presented at Alice Springs Hospital where I was diagnosed with sciatica after 4 presentations I went paralyzed, I was flown 1500 kms south to The Royal Adelaide Hospital for surgery and then after 2 weeks in the spinal unit I was transferred to Hampstead Rehab Centre, in Adelaide, then after 4 months transferred back to The Alice Springs Hospital then after 6 weeks I went home
Ah i see Butiki....sounds like you were treated well in general? though so thats good
My accident was at home (population 2,000 or so) and consequently the emergency responders are all volunteer. We have a small hospital here and naturally that is where I was taken once they assessed my situation. The ER team there did a wonderful job in the critical early minutes after the accident. They knew immediately once I arrived that my condition needed a level I trauma team - nearest one 100 miles away. They immediately called for helicopter transport and during the time waiting for it to arrive they did X-rays and a ct scan to transmit to the trauma center so they knew what was coming.
Upon arrival there, their team re-confirmed the X-rays and ct scans. They then conducted an MRI to assess spinal cord damage. The good news started at that point when results showed only bruising and no tearing, ripping, severing or the like. At that point they changed their treatment plan to repair the fractured C2,C3,C4. They decided. To wait several days before the fusion surgery to allow time for the spinal cord to 'cool down'. The surgery went as expected and was completely successful. A halo was installed to keep the neck immobilized for the next 3 months. (Coming off next week!!)
During all phases of the process at the trauma center, I and all family members, were kept fully informed of the situation, what the risks were and the purpose of the procedure. This center also is a teaching hospital so whenever the doc were there explaining to me they were also explaining to the trailing interns. By the way, the interns were also very good, particularly with their bedside manner. I got the impression that is a key part of the teaching process here.
As for my local hospital, they too, did everything correctly and kept us informed along the way. They knew it was well beyond their skills - except for the initial response and actions......keep me immobilized, don't move the head, etc,etc. The trauma center credited the actions of the local team for the results that have taken place. I have full functionality of all limbs, bowels have returned and bladder is now coming back. I will still have months of strength and coordination recovery but things are progressing well!
You had the standard of care as it should be donl1150 so thats reassuring and all is looking good...plus its great to hear that you are getting your halo off next week...
Either one of us are not qualified to answer this. Hindsight is always perfect, but who really knows if the paramedics did a proper job or the helicopter who lifted her to Sunnybrooke or the surgeon for fused her neck together or the day to day nurses etc ... etc .... etc. .....
lonewolf, the poll is asking about the level of care and info on spinal cord injuries received while you were at the hospital
Great responses everyone, it's interesting seeing the different experiences!
Personally, other than being told that I'll never walk again (which is true at the moment but doesn't mean it always will be) the care and the information on spinal cord injuries I've received was great so shouts out to Toronto Western Hospital Before getting to Toronto Western, I was initially sent to South Lake hospital which is the local one and was the closest hospital which also happened to be a terrible hospital! They misinformed us badly by telling my parents I was perfectly fine even though they knew I had a spinal cord injury and they never let my parents see me for many hours. They left me untreated for many hours claiming that they were doing scans which they already finished doing. They told us that I was going to get air lifted to another hospital because they didn't have a surgeon specialized in this field and they ended up sending me in an ambulance. South Lake Hospital (Located in Newmarket) is about an hours drive away from Toronto Western Hospital (Located in Toronto) so you can imagine how bumpy roads are and all the vibrations I sustained while traveling by ambulance. Anyways, bottom line is South Lake is not a Hospital anyone should go to. I've heard many bad stories from others about this hospital as well.
hey DJ, never say never eh ....these medical experts are always being proven wrong! It was disgusting how you were delayed and how you guys were treated at that first hospital....real bad .....