I'm planning on buying a power assist system for my manual wheelchair very soon and am torn between the SmartDrive system and the E Motion wheels. Has anyone here tried both of them and can point me in the right direction?
I tried the Smart Drive for about an hour a while back but at that point I wasn't even strong enough to push my chair 100m, so I probably wasn't that great of a judge. The one thing I did find annoying about the SmartDrive when I tried it was that I found myself constantly fighting for control(but like I said, I was very weak at that time). I'm not worried about the price, so anything that you can tell me beyond that would be great.
Thanks!
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chris, I have the smart drive (which I haven't used yet!) but when I tried it out for the first time I also struggled with keeping it in control but that was also due to my weakness. I chose to get the smart drive because they just seem more practical. They're much easier to put on/off, they weigh a lot less and I think they're more powerful. I also like my current sporty looking red rims so I'd rather not replace them with the E-Motion ones. Which vendor did you get your wheelchair through? Mine is Motion Specialties and if you ask them, they'll let you try out both products!
I tried both of them at a disability expo, but not on my own chair. The E-motion adds a lot of weight to the chair, and I would not be able to load chair without removing wheels. The hub motors in the wheels are heavy. Required extra heavy-duty camber rod is much heavier than standard one, and gear brackets to engage motorized wheel are heavy and would dig into car seat if you are sitting chair seat down onto automobile upholstery. Handling of chair seemed skewed to me, but I did not have the chance to try the same chair without the E-Motion, so it may have been some misalignment rather than the power assist.
Smart Drive was lightweight, easy to control after small learning curve, and even though small, did the job and allowed great speed on more level surfaces. Loved the "turbo boost" feature! People who are using it say the battery life is excellent. Battery is lightweight, quick and easy to remove for transport, and power assist wheel lifts off very easily and is also lightweight. You can leave wheel on when not using power assist, and it creates little drag, even on carpet. Smart Drive would my choice!
Everything wavewolf said. I really think the E motion are good, but very heavy. The smart drive is easy on easy off and I think far more practical. Just my thoughts.
Thanks everyone! After reading all of your commentary, I'll most likely be going for the Smart Drive. The only trouble I had was when I tried it on a path that had a side angle, but I suppose you would have that issue with or without the assist.
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Thanks everyone! After reading all of your commentary, I'll most likely be going for the Smart Drive. The only trouble I had was when I tried it on a path that had a side angle, but I suppose you would have that issue with or without the assist.
Yeah I hate uneven paths but like it you said, it'll be an issue with either one. Let us know what you think when you get one!
I've had the SmartDrive for over a year and it's amazing, life changing. Getting in to the car I can remove the SmartDrive faster than I can remove my wheels. It has so much power it will go up any incline and has such a small footprint that it really hides under the chair. The motor's weight is partly supported by it's wheel which is in contact with the ground. The battery pack (eleven pounds) sits under the rider so the weight isn't felt as much. It does take some practice to learn to control the SD but it's changed everything for me. I can even go to my favorite restaurant which is inaccessible because of one high step. I use the parking-meter-technique to pull myself up and in and there I am.
I tried the E-Motion wheels and I liked their speed and quiet but they are very heavy IMO and I didn't think I could deal with that. I've been really happy with my SD.
Recently I again tried the Smart Drive, this time on very uneven outdoor terrain and on significantly inclined path. It worked consistently well, and powered me up, slowly, the very steep incline that I could in no way get up myself. Going down the steep path, I turned the Smart Drive off. Not sure if this is necessary... Burned my hands up, not good, on descent. This is making me think of getting the ADI Disc Braking system. Need my hands good for work and unencumbered mobility.
Recently I again tried the Smart Drive, this time on very uneven outdoor terrain and on significantly inclined path. It worked consistently well, and powered me up, slowly, the very steep incline that I could in no way get up myself. Going down the steep path, I turned the Smart Drive off. Not sure if this is necessary... Burned my hands up, not good, on descent. This is making me think of getting the ADI Disc Braking system. Need my hands good for work and unencumbered mobility.
wavewolf, it's good you turn it off during a decline because you would have been fighting gravity and the smart drive which would have burned your hands even more! That's the one good thing about the e-motion wheels, from what I heard they'll help you slightly when going down hill. Also, after a year of using the disc brakes I've learned that using them to slow you down hill is not good to do if you're going to do it a lot. I ended up twisting my camber tube over time which somehow inverted my camber. The misalignment also caused the discs to rub against the pads which created a lot of resistance and made pusing a nightmare. I've got the shop to fix it but I wouldn't use it to slow me down unless it was an emergency.
Recently I again tried the Smart Drive, this time on very uneven outdoor terrain and on significantly inclined path. It worked consistently well, and powered me up, slowly, the very steep incline that I could in no way get up myself. Going down the steep path, I turned the Smart Drive off. Not sure if this is necessary... Burned my hands up, not good, on descent. This is making me think of getting the ADI Disc Braking system. Need my hands good for work and unencumbered mobility.
wavewolf, it's good you turn it off during a decline because you would have been fighting gravity and the smart drive which would have burned your hands even more! That's the one good thing about the e-motion wheels, from what I heard they'll help you slightly when going down hill. Also, after a year of using the disc brakes I've learned that using them to slow you down hill is not good to do if you're going to do it a lot. I ended up twisting my camber tube over time which somehow inverted my camber. The misalignment also caused the discs to rub against the pads which created a lot of resistance and made pusing a nightmare. I've got the shop to fix it but I wouldn't use it to slow me down unless it was an emergency.
DJ, do you have the ADI electric brakes? Using on manual chair? Those and the variable lever brake are true brakes, and affect both wheels at once. I am considering the double para lever brake, each of which affects one wheel, as bicycle handbrakes would. Thanks for making me consider this possibility of twisting the camber tube. I am going to talk to specialist at ADI tomorrow and will ask about this use, as braking for steering and hill mitigation would be my justification for the expense. As a musician with RA and some degradation of hand function from spinal cord lesions are C4-5, I need to do all I can to preserve hands! What camber do you have? I want to have zero, for narrowest accessibility. But seems as if 2-degree camber is required, which would make chair's footprint 1.5" wider.
wavewolf they're not the electric ones. I have the variable lever brakes as you've mentioned. The para level brakes definitely look more ideal for what you need but the potential of having the camber tube twist looks like it's still there so yeah mention it to the specialist and see what they say. I currently have 4 degrees of camber which I'd like to drop down to 2 because the base is so wide but when my camber tube got twisted I had like -2 degrees camber lol.
DJ, if the variable lever brakes stop both wheels together in increments of braking strength, how could camber tube get twisted? Was it because of pressures added from uneven ground? I think I will call TiLite to ask their experience with ADI braking system, in addition to talking with ADI. Twisting camber tubes could get expensive, and even be unsafe. What material is your camber tube? I was planning on aluminum camber tube, which I think is built stronger than titanium or carbon fiber on TiLite chairs since this is all they allow for power adaptability or heavy-duty model.
wavewolf my camber tubes are titanium and well they weren't actually twisted, I guess they rotated backwards from the force of the brakes.
DJ, did you have to replace the tubes? Seriously, were you hotdogging or just ordinary wheeling?!!! ADI braking system is supposed to be usable with Smart Drive. So I'm wondering if your spline was loose or assembly was not performed properly. If your camber is >2 degrees, alignment is not a simple thing. What wheels do you have?