I hope someone will answer your questions, rohbart. But I found something online that I like and agree with, and just had to come back here and post it.
Natural health physician and Mercola.com founder Dr. Joseph Mercola interviews Dr. Allan Frankel about the medical uses of marijuana or cannabis... "CBD is currently a Schedule 1 controlled substance, which means: The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the US There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision There's no doubt that CBD needs to be rescheduled, as each of these three points are blatantly wrong. Dr. Frankel actually thinks cannabis should be de-scheduled altogether, as a plant really does not belong on any schedule of a controlled substance.
"How could we have a plant on a schedule? What if it's an all-THC plant? What if it's an all-CBD? What if we find some other psychoactivity? If you take the Physicians' Desk Reference (PDR) and look at every product, none of them looks like a plant to me. This is the only plant, and it's not just one medicine. One entry with one data ID or MDI cannot be applied for cannabis. For example, we're actually right now making different medicines with cannabis plants based upon harvest time.
As the plants mature, the flowers get darker and darker. There's a traditional time when you're just supposed to pick them. Of course, what we've done is we picked them at different times in large amounts, ground them all together so we can get very representative samples, and see what happens in the last few weeks of flowering. The medicine changes a lot in the last three weeks. You can make more sedating medicine by letting it just stay on the vine three weeks longer. Even how long you let it grow makes it a very different medicine, a noticeably different medicine," he says." www.piantacbd.com/blog/2014/12/29/mercola-interviews-dr-frankel-on-medical-cannabis
Dr. Allan Frankel is an internal medical doctor and one of the world’s leading authorities on dosed cannabis medicine. www.greenbridgemed.com
I was prescribed marinol/drobinol and never took it - it's basically synthetic THC without all the other synergistic cannabinoids - and my doctor told me to expect that it would be very sedating and that my balance would be impaired I shouldn't drive. Which explains why I never took it! Hopefully someone with more THC experience will chime in.
When you're talking about cannabis oil, are you talking about Phoenix tears/Rick Simpson oil (a whole plant extract, including all the cannabinoids) or CBD oil? That's a really different thing than a CBD extract (which can come from hemp) or really an extract of an any individual cannabinoid.
There are clear, detailed instructions online for making RSO at home - it requires a pretty substantial amount of raw material to get started, and because it involves a lot of alcohol (for extraction) and then cooking that alcohol off, there's a flammability risk as well.
Cannabinoid ratios vary from strain to strain and if you're buying to make RSO, you probably want to purchase from a shop that grows their own, organically and that does gas chromatography so that you know the ratios. If you're growing for yourself, again with the chromatography - different cannabinoids have different effects, and the ratios that work for some will not work the same for others.
Thanks for making the distinction, annev308, I was actually trying to find the Rick Simpson hemp oil, but as you note, it takes an awful lot of whole plant. Buying it would be so much easier, but trying to find a source is a challenge.
Yeah - the instructions I've seen for RSO are for a pound dried and they specify buds and flowers and tips. I don't grow, but that - that seems like a lot. I know someone who does grow and make RSO, and she says that ultimately, once she knew what she was doing, they began incorporating more and more of the whole plant, but her motivation was to try and reduce the levels of THC and increase the other cannabinoids in the blend because the family member using it has a form of cancer where the ratio of THC to other cannabinoids is really crucial - too much THC in that ratio has been linked to tumor growth and metastases. We're in a state where cannabis is legal for both medical and recreational uses and the circumstances under which she would sell RSO are non-existent.
FWIW, I have had good luck with topical (yeah, topical) CBD for nerve pain and minor spasticity inhibition - but what I get is basically the CBD equivalent of RSO (with, yes, gas chromatography results) and then put it in coconut oil and use it as lotion. It's not very long acting (4-8 hours), but it's very effective.
Yeah - the instructions I've seen for RSO are for a pound dried and they specify buds and flowers and tips. I don't grow, but that - that seems like a lot. I know someone who does grow and make RSO, and she says that ultimately, once she knew what she was doing, they began incorporating more and more of the whole plant, but her motivation was to try and reduce the levels of THC and increase the other cannabinoids in the blend because the family member using it has a form of cancer where the ratio of THC to other cannabinoids is really crucial - too much THC in that ratio has been linked to tumor growth and metastases. We're in a state where cannabis is legal for both medical and recreational uses and the circumstances under which she would sell RSO are non-existent.
FWIW, I have had good luck with topical (yeah, topical) CBD for nerve pain and minor spasticity inhibition - but what I get is basically the CBD equivalent of RSO (with, yes, gas chromatography results) and then put it in coconut oil and use it as lotion. It's not very long acting (4-8 hours), but it's very effective.
Best wishes getting what you need.
Fascinating about the THC levels. The research is certainly out there. Thanks.
This just occurred to me - I don't know where you are, but Maine has (or had) a collaborative growth model (i.e., folks can designate a grower and then the grower does the cultivation and processing for them, including making RSO on their behalf.) - they were looking for growers to be able to sell "extra" to folks who had cards but weren't their customers. It was up in November. If you're anywhere near Maine, it might be worth checking out what happened with that.
This just occurred to me - I don't know where you are, but Maine has (or had) a collaborative growth model (i.e., folks can designate a grower and then the grower does the cultivation and processing for them, including making RSO on their behalf.) - they were looking for growers to be able to sell "extra" to folks who had cards but weren't their customers. It was up in November. If you're anywhere near Maine, it might be worth checking out what happened with that.
Thanks, annev308, I'm in Mass. not too far but far enough.
To answer rohbart's questions - driving should not be an option when using cannabis. Some people are very capable of driving under the influence of weed, and do, but cannabis delays response time considerably, even with the 'non-drowsy' strain. Socially, some strains encourage lots of talk, creativity, and laughter. Some encourage deep thought, and result in little social interaction. However, the effect is completely different to the one you get with alcohol. You still maintain control, and can actually come down from it very easily if you find it necessary to do so.
I remember when I use to smoke it in the late 60s all of the 70s up until 1983. I could drive under the influence of cannabis, alcohol was the thing I had trouble being able to drive under the influence of. But that was me, so I wouldn't want to influence anyone on what they do, especially under the influence of the drugs we already take. I might add also that it was that way with pretty much all of my friends and acquaintances.
I remember when I use to smoke it in the late 60s all of the 70s up until 1983. I could drive under the influence of cannabis, alcohol was the thing I had trouble being able to drive under the influence of. But that was me, so I wouldn't want to influence anyone on what they do, especially under the influence of the drugs we already take. I might add also that it was that way with pretty much all of my friends and acquaintances.
Sounds as though you don't use it now, though, tj,. Driving has never been an option for me when I use it. I'm far too ingrossed in the scenery and the radio to pay much attention to the road
I gave it all up in 1983 when I quit drinking. I was a weekend warrior drinker, I would drink every weekend until late Sunday night, then do it all over again the next weekend. I quit when me and a deck, two steel garbage cans , and a cement patio had a meeting of my face. That was enough for me. I knew then and there the next day at the E R , when the Dr said ," So , you think you dislocated your jaw huh?". I broke my jaw in six places. I learned my lesson.
As far as CBD goes, it's not psychoactive and doesn't seem to require THC to be effective. But on it's own, pure CBD has a very narrow dose range of effectiveness ( www.projectcbd.org/article/synthetic-vs-whole-plant-cbd ) Also, it can get expensive fast. I know of people for whom it becomes effective at doses of 200 mg day, and getting that level means 40 capsules from a 60 capsule jar, which costs $62. A lot of the CBD with no THC that gets marketed is derived from industrial hemp, which means many of the ratios of the other cannabinoids are way off or entirely absent from the ranges found in typical medical/recreational cannabis.
As far as CBD goes, it's not psychoactive and doesn't seem to require THC to be effective. But on it's own, pure CBD has a very narrow dose range of effectiveness ( www.projectcbd.org/article/synthetic-vs-whole-plant-cbd ) Also, it can get expensive fast. I know of people for whom it becomes effective at doses of 200 mg day, and getting that level means 40 capsules from a 60 capsule jar, which costs $62. A lot of the CBD with no THC that gets marketed is derived from industrial hemp, which means many of the ratios of the other cannabinoids are way off or entirely absent from the ranges found in typical medical/recreational cannabis.
That's the reason why many people grow their own for a fraction of the cost compared to pre-fabricated CBD units, and make their own cannabis-infused coconut oil or other edibles, containing both CBD and THC in any prefered ratio (plenty of strains to choose from). Growing is simple although not legal everywhere, but it's easy to understand why people with health conditions prioritize their health and wellbeing over meaningless bureaucracy and unjust laws. Even where growing is illegal, seeds are usually legal to sell and to obtain, and there are many online seed suppliers in the US, UK, and elsewhere in europe. Private adult citizens keeping garden plants at home bothers no one, and unless you openly advertise the fruits of your labor, you should not worry about legal issues. Stay safe and healthy.
quote author="hellspawn1- "Private adult citizens keeping garden plants at home bothers no one, and unless you openly advertise the fruits of your labor, you should not worry about legal issues. Stay safe and healthy."
When I was in a nursing home, my City had to have my home's lawn and shrubs cut (once only). Good thing I hadn't planted anything illegal! Lol.
quote author="hellspawn1 - "Private adult citizens keeping garden plants at home bothers no one, and unless you openly advertise the fruits of your labor, you should not worry about legal issues. Stay safe and healthy."
When I was in a nursing home, my City had to have my home's lawn and shrubs cut (once only). Good thing I hadn't planted anything illegal! Lol.
That surely would've made you a threat to society on par with batman movie villains. Forgive the irony! Perhaps the gardeners would've had the good manners to not report a fellow citizen to the authorities for keeping plants, should you have actually had the medicinal variety growing in your garden. Then again - dogma says we should fear medicinal plants and frown upon them and the people who cultivate and use them. Imagine a place where people could freely choose what plants to grow in their own gardens, and which ones to make a tasty tea or vegetable broth from to reduce pain and improve sleep, and not face costly punishment for doing so. That would be the end of us! I think such places are called, let's see - Portugal, Spain, Netherlands, United States, Czech Republic etc...