Post by payton23yfz on Nov 2, 2016 16:10:07 GMT -8
I am a c4/c5 incomplete quad. I'm on 40mg of baclofen 4 times a day, 4mg of zanaflex, and 25mg of dantrolene 4 times a day. So a pretty substantial amount of meds for spasms. Lately my spasms have gotten a lot more frequent and a lot more violent. I don't have a UTI and I'm not constipated. I don't have any sores (thank God). So, all of the obvious culprits have been checked out. What are some other reasons you guys have increased spasms and what are some ways you guys help to control them? Thanks in advance!
Post by kilg0retr0ut on Nov 4, 2016 3:43:59 GMT -8
Welcome payton23yfz, I was hoping someone with experience with spasms might chime in. We've had many discussions on them, natural remedies, medications and mechanical devices. If you type spasms into the search you'll find many posts related to them. I hope you find something that reduces you pain level. Mark
I also have substantial muscle spasms daily, though am on only 60 mg of baclofen total daily(20 mg 3x day), will have to go up in meds shortly I believe. for me, cold air or any room temps 75° F or below increase my muscle spasms. also hot food I touch will cause hand to spasm. my PT said that consumption of caffeine like coffee tends to increase muscle spasms. haven't found a way currently to ease them except quick relaxation with deep breathing, which isn't possible at times depending on circumstances.
I have Primary Progressive MS, lost the use of my legs and in a powerchair 24/7. Spasm is a part of life now. My legs are very sensitive to touchdown or movement, they stick out straight and very hard to bend. PT seems to worsen them due to my sensitivity, but I need the movement. Stopped taking bacofen, didn't like.
I take 10,000 units of vitamin D3, magnesium, and multiple-vitamins, and Advil. A small amount of chocolate helps as well. Fried foods, Chinese food, soy sauce and salt worsen my spasms. Eating salads, fruit, fish and vegetable diet helps. Cold and hot weather effect my spasms. But nighttime lessens my spasms. Seasonal change my legs swell where I need to use a lymphedema compression machine.
Hi sofranac55. I quit taking Baclofen, too. An awful nerve toxin called monosodium glutamate is often added to Chinese food. I buy a pretty pink salt called Himalaya Salt. It isn't as salty as regular salt because it has little bits of other beneficial minerals mixed in (naturally occurring), though if salt worsens your condition,...well, this is still salt. My paralysis is from being hit by a car, but I've always been interested in MS.
Hi. My husband has an incomplete SCI C4-C7. The spasticity and hypertonia (tight muscles) is one of his most difficult challenges. I can tell you his experiences in case it would be some help for you? 4 years ago Peter was taking 80mg of baclofen daily and getting very frequent spasticity especially when trying to lay down at night, during the night, after he had been still for a while, when he was fatigued or if he was hot/cold/coming down with a bug etc etc. For him stretching and strengthening his muscles has been really helpful. Initially the physios stretched him with stretching therapy sessions and although he still gets an occasional full body stretch from them, we have a daily exercise routine at home to keep the muscles in good stretched out shape. The other thing that I think has helped is that he has cut down on the baclofen from 80mg daily to 40 mg daily. You may be aware that one of the side effects of baclofen is that it also makes the muscles weaker. We were told by a rehab doc that sometimes the medication for spasticity can add to the problem instead of alleviating it. By cutting baclofen down very slowly (5 mg every few months) and at the same time doing more stretching and strengthening exercises he feels he has more control over his muscles. He also does 40 mins every day on his static motor assisted bike (alternating passive and active cycling). It's a delicate balance getting medication right but a good physio will advise you. He does also take lyrica for nerve pain (spasticity also triggers his nerve pain and vice versa), diazepam and amitryptilin at bedtime as they also help with spasticity. We also found that moving his legs slowly especially at night when he is tired has been helpful. Today he gets spasms occasionally but nothing like he did though he still has very stiff muscles down his left side. It seemed to start getting better around the 2 year mark for Peter but I know this isn't true for everyone. I think for Peter the main spasticity trigger is if his muscles get stiff because of lack of activity and also pain or if he fatigues his muscles by doing too much activity. His muscles need to e treated with great respect or they bite back! Once he worked that out he managed it a lot better.
Good luck with finding something that helps - spasticity is a real killer. The doc told us that it can come and go for no reason that anyone could pinpoint - not what we wanted to hear! Apologies for the long post and hope it gives you some ideas.
PS - is that 40mg baclofen x 4 daily or 10mg baclofen x 4 daily. If it's the former then that's a LOT! and had you thought about a pump? I saw lots of good stuff about the baclofen pumps on the Apparelyzed website.
I have an incomplete to c3 to c5 and regarding spasticity the muscle tension is what I struggle with, my pt advised me to stretch and as much exercise and activity as your body can handle will and pretty much the only way to control and alleviate muscle tension, she said strengthening muscle is best way to alleviate muscle tension. that is my goal now, work out everyday to build muscle.
I have an incomplete to c3 to c5 and regarding spasticity the muscle tension is what I struggle with, my pt advised me to stretch and as much exercise and activity as your body can handle will and pretty much the only way to control and alleviate muscle tension, she said strengthening muscle is best way to alleviate muscle tension. that is my goal now, work out everyday to build muscle.
Nicely put Sam. You said what I said but in many fewer words.
I have an incomplete to c3 to c5 and regarding spasticity the muscle tension is what I struggle with, my pt advised me to stretch and as much exercise and activity as your body can handle will and pretty much the only way to control and alleviate muscle tension, she said strengthening muscle is best way to alleviate muscle tension. that is my goal now, work out everyday to build muscle.
cannabis helps in reducing spasticity or muscle tension but it is only temporary and varies in effect depending on strain used. so stretching and exercise is the best way.
Spasms are something I have been enduring a few years now. It felt like muscles in my back were twitching and causing pain into my arms or legs for a while. Now they are more focused and very annoying if not sometimes painful. I have trouble maintaining a grip sometimes as my hands seem to shake open against my will. Sometimes when I try to walk, I get a spasm in my back or my neck. So that has been part of my battle.
A tens unit sometimes helps for me. Not on the areas where the spasms are so much. But other places like ankle or knee. Somewhere near the spasm. It just seems to lesson the throbbing from one area, and spread it out somewhat so it's not focused. You place the electrodes where you feel it helps. Just keep it set low or off if you try to move them. I have a spasm in my arm into my elbow lately. So i put the electrodes around the knuckles of my right hand. And found a comfortable setting that somewhat evened it out. My neck spasms have been a challenge though. You don't want to place a tens unit near your head. So with that I just lay down until it passes.
As for medicine for spasms they prescribed me cyclobenzaprine. Which only helped me get some sleep as spasms were keeping me up for days until I told the doctor. I took it every night spasms acted up but spread it out if I could. After about a year of taking it every couple of nights, it no longer had an effect on my spasms or sleep that I could tell. They decided I should try Prazosin. But the tens unit still helps sometimes.
Good posture while sleeping was also key for me. Otherwise I could not get to sleep. When I manage to accomplish the right sleeping posture. I feel many of those spasm areas start to decompress some. At least in my back. And I do deep breathing exercises. You may need a body pillow from the wrists, elbows, knees, to ankles. And the right neck and head support is something you have to try and find that fits for you.
Spasms are something I have been enduring a few years now. It felt like muscles in my back were twitching and causing pain into my arms or legs for a while. Now they are more focused and very annoying if not sometimes painful. I have trouble maintaining a grip sometimes as my hands seem to shake open against my will. Sometimes when I try to walk, I get a spasm in my back or my neck. So that has been part of my battle.
A tens unit sometimes helps for me. Not on the areas where the spasms are so much. But other places like ankle or knee. Somewhere near the spasm. It just seems to lesson the throbbing from one area, and spread it out somewhat so it's not focused. You place the electrodes where you feel it helps. Just keep it set low or off if you try to move them. I have a spasm in my arm into my elbow lately. So i put the electrodes around the knuckles of my right hand. And found a comfortable setting that somewhat evened it out. My neck spasms have been a challenge though. You don't want to place a tens unit near your head. So with that I just lay down until it passes.
As for medicine for spasms they prescribed me cyclobenzaprine. Which only helped me get some sleep as spasms were keeping me up for days until I told the doctor. I took it every night spasms acted up but spread it out if I could. After about a year of taking it every couple of nights, it no longer had an effect on my spasms or sleep that I could tell. They decided I should try Prazosin. But the tens unit still helps sometimes.
Good posture while sleeping was also key for me. Otherwise I could not get to sleep. When I manage to accomplish the right sleeping posture. I feel many of those spasm areas start to decompress some. At least in my back. And I do deep breathing exercises. You may need a body pillow from the wrists, elbows, knees, to ankles. And the right neck and head support is something you have to try and find that fits for you.
Good for you, Matt82! I may have been given TENS treatments by my chiropractors, long before my SCI injury. It's great when we find non-toxic remedies for our problems.
Post by ezcondition on Jun 16, 2017 16:27:23 GMT -8
sup from a newbie; T5/T6. i have had these ever since i have been disabled and there are a few things that i Must do to keep them down. if you have run through the common reasons spasms flare up you might want to think about these:
if you can lift weights do so. i have to lift weights, there is no option. of course the only really heavy compound movement i can do is the bench but the heavier and intense the workout the more relaxed my legs become. working out keeps my UTI's at bay for up to a week or even more if i'm not cheating on my diet; cuts down the over night leaks as well. that is my main stay with working out but i have routines for back, shoulders, arms, etc.
the next is shaving my entire lower body... everywhere. i was having spasms/pains in my legs and was rubbing them and the hair felt like a wire brush as i ran my hand across them. i grabbed a razor and after shaving my legs fail right to sleep it felt so good. when i woke up i thought if it felt that good why not finish the job.. been shaving ever since. as soon as the fire-up feelings start i shave and it calms them down; strange but those hairs are irritating your legs like folded sheets, blah blah. that being said you have to be careful for obvious reasons. yet, it works for me and might be an option worth pursuing for quality of life.
when it's cool your skin dries out so rub lotion on your feet and legs. if you are having pains etc. look at your feet, if they are white put some lotion on. i do most everyday but will skip if i can. i don't like doing it but those pain/spams are worse.
next is keeping them toe nails clean and short. that is a oldie but if you haven't done so, clip and clean them toe nails.
cut off the buttons, belt loops, and pockets off your pants. might work well for those that have to wear pants for work, school, etc. i wear cheap slacks because the material is softer.
there are other things that i do but are more related to diet and everyone is Way different in that area. hope this helps someone.