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Smart Drive and Freewheel Jul 31, 2017 11:53:12 GMT -8

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I just ordered a Freewheel for my KiMobility Rogue rigid chair. I'm confident this will be nice for long pushes on pavement, grass, trails, and gravel. I demo'd a Smart Drive and was not impressed. It was the MX1 and if I order one it will be the MX2 Plus. The issue with the MX1 was it would stop propelling me up a slanted hill when I would hold on to my left rim to stay straight. Does anyone have the MX2 Plus? If so will it keep going until you double tap the watch?

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Smart Drive and Freewheel Aug 1, 2017 4:15:10 GMT -8

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the freewheel is really good.
I haven't tried the mx1/2 however I have 2 friends that bought them and subsequently sold them because of similar problems that you experienced.
I think it depends on where you will use it and if you travel regularly- say for going around big flat areas like big malls or sports complexes etc then it would be really good. However I think due to the limitations I prefer other systems like e-motion wheels; front mounted electric bikes (batec, quickie attitude etc).
That's if it's a choice of one or the other. If I had the function to use an mx1 (I don't have good balance or grip) I probably would pick up a second-hand mx1 for use around the mall and travelling. I think it's size and ease of transportation are its main benefits compared to other systems. But like always there is a compromise in this case with its suitability outdoors.

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crappler Junior Member Posts: 76 Post Likes Received: 128 Date Joined: November 2016 Injury: C8 Complete Date Injured: Oct 15, 1989 Member is: Offline Send PM	Smart Drive and Freewheel Aug 2, 2017 5:11:42 GMT -8 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by crappler on Aug 2, 2017 5:11:42 GMT -8 SBD, I'm getting my MX2+ this week so I'll be able to answer any questions you have about it. I DO know that it will keep going until you double tap again.
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Smart Drive and Freewheel Aug 2, 2017 6:18:42 GMT -8

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Aug 2, 2017 5:11:42 GMT -8 crappler said:

SBD,
I'm getting my MX2+ this week so I'll be able to answer any questions you have about it.
I DO know that it will keep going until you double tap again.

Thanks dude that's good to know. I told the place that loaned me the MX1 that if they want to sell me the MX2+ they need to get me a demo of that to try. I'm not going to just take their word for it. This things costs as much as a decent used car.

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Smart Drive and Freewheel Aug 3, 2017 12:23:05 GMT -8

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Aug 2, 2017 6:18:42 GMT -8 softballdad said:

Aug 2, 2017 5:11:42 GMT -8 crappler said:

SBD,
I'm getting my MX2+ this week so I'll be able to answer any questions you have about it.
I DO know that it will keep going until you double tap again.

Thanks dude that's good to know. I told the place that loaned me the MX1 that if they want to sell me the MX2+ they need to get me a demo of that to try. I'm not going to just take their word for it. This things costs as much as a decent used car.

I'm picking it my tomorrow. Cross your fingers. This will be my second one because the first one I got was a dud.

crappler Junior Member Posts: 76 Post Likes Received: 128 Date Joined: November 2016 Injury: C8 Complete Date Injured: Oct 15, 1989 Member is: Offline Send PM	Smart Drive and Freewheel Aug 6, 2017 8:05:09 GMT -8 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by crappler on Aug 6, 2017 8:05:09 GMT -8 Jul 31, 2017 11:53:12 GMT -8 softballdad said: Does anyone have the MX2 Plus? If so will it keep going until you double tap the watch? It absolutely does what you're asking.
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Smart Drive and Freewheel Aug 7, 2017 11:35:44 GMT -8

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I recently upgraded from the MX2 to MX2+ The latter can be used in either the old or new modes. My experience is that in the old mode it is dreadful and drops the link all the time. When in MX2+ mode it is really good. Interestingly there are a couple of locations where it is more or less certain that it will stop and there's no obvious reason. It is however definitely related to those locations, so whether some interference is a problem I don't know. However you feel a little buzz in the wrist band, and double tap, it restarts and keeps going. In reality if I double tap the moment I feel the vibration, there is no loss of motion except when on a steep incline. I have to say that MX2+ mode is great. My only niggle is that it slows down when it notes any traction issues, which can be simply going over joints in pavings. If you are going slowly it can lead to an annoying acceleration and deceleration. It's not noticeable when you go a bit quicker. Using the freewheel actually helps eliminate this problem as the number of bumps transmitted from the front wheels to the SD is reduced.

To me this slowing is an unnecessary thing and I did query it with MaxMobility who say its a safety feature. They obviously havent used it on UK pavements! Nonetheless MX2+ mode is great and encourages you to do more of your own pushes then MX2 did as it no longer kicks in when you push just when you double tap.

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Smart Drive and Freewheel Aug 9, 2017 5:41:49 GMT -8

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Aug 6, 2017 8:05:09 GMT -8 crappler said:

Jul 31, 2017 11:53:12 GMT -8 softballdad said:

Does anyone have the MX2 Plus? If so will it keep going until you double tap the watch?

It absolutely does what you're asking.

Good to know. Still waiting on demonstration model.

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Smart Drive and Freewheel Aug 9, 2017 6:27:38 GMT -8

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Aug 9, 2017 5:41:49 GMT -8 softballdad said:

Aug 6, 2017 8:05:09 GMT -8 crappler said:

It absolutely does what you're asking.

Good to know. Still waiting on demonstration model.

I will say this about the watch; if you're one that has "cripply hands (like myself, and I'm sure you, too), the watch is a bit of a challenge for the power on and off functions.
The buttons are small, and not very sensitive so it can be a challenge to get the button to actuate. I'm guessing you'd want to use your thumb in order to put the most pressure on it.

The tap function works pretty well; this is where the SD motor engages. I find the off more accurate than the on, but I'm still getting used to it.

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Smart Drive and Freewheel Aug 9, 2017 9:07:01 GMT -8

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Aug 9, 2017 6:27:38 GMT -8 crappler said:

Aug 9, 2017 5:41:49 GMT -8 softballdad said:

Good to know. Still waiting on demonstration model.

I will say this about the watch; if you're one that has "cripply hands (like myself, and I'm sure you, too), the watch is a bit of a challenge for the power on and off functions.
The buttons are small, and not very sensitive so it can be a challenge to get the button to actuate. I'm guessing you'd want to use your thumb in order to put the most pressure on it.

The tap function works pretty well; this is where the SD motor engages. I find the off more accurate than the on, but I'm still getting used to it.

I'm going to market with some wheelchair gloves. There is nothing "made" out there I like. These are my design. The pair pictured is pretty worn but that's what's nice about them they last. You should try a pair. They have thumb holes and makes them more rigid and able to push fine buttons like that. The rep said the SD will propel a 280 lb person (I'm 230) for 12 miles before recharging is required. Let me know what you find you can go before it's drained.

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Smart Drive and Freewheel Aug 10, 2017 8:57:16 GMT -8

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Aug 7, 2017 11:35:44 GMT -8 iain said:

I recently upgraded from the MX2 to MX2+ The latter can be used in either the old or new modes. My experience is that in the old mode it is dreadful and drops the link all the time. When in MX2+ mode it is really good. Interestingly there are a couple of locations where it is more or less certain that it will stop and there's no obvious reason. It is however definitely related to those locations, so whether some interference is a problem I don't know. However you feel a little buzz in the wrist band, and double tap, it restarts and keeps going. In reality if I double tap the moment I feel the vibration, there is no loss of motion except when on a steep incline. I have to say that MX2+ mode is great. My only niggle is that it slows down when it notes any traction issues, which can be simply going over joints in pavings. If you are going slowly it can lead to an annoying acceleration and deceleration. It's not noticeable when you go a bit quicker. Using the freewheel actually helps eliminate this problem as the number of bumps transmitted from the front wheels to the SD is reduced.

To me this slowing is an unnecessary thing and I did query it with MaxMobility who say its a safety feature. They obviously havent used it on UK pavements! Nonetheless MX2+ mode is great and encourages you to do more of your own pushes then MX2 did as it no longer kicks in when you push just when you double tap.

iain , have you had an instance when the bracket holding the SD, while using the FreeWheel, has cracked/broke due to the pressure/weight. I have talked to several people about this and they have said that they have had to replace the bracket nurmerous times especially when they have gone on rough terrain.

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iain New Member Posts: 14 Post Likes Received: 33 Date Joined: December 2016 Injury: T3/4 complete Date Injured: 2007 Member is: Offline Send PM	Smart Drive and Freewheel Aug 12, 2017 0:13:02 GMT -8 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by iain on Aug 12, 2017 0:13:02 GMT -8 I've used SmartDrive since an early MX1+ and never had a problem with the bracket

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Smart Drive and Freewheel Aug 13, 2017 10:29:45 GMT -8

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As in never the nearest I got was when I tipped over backwards when stationary and reading a book. Fortunately all that happen was the bracket slipped round the axle slightly. I tipped because we had made what proved to be an injudicious alteration to my back rest and ended up in dead beetle mode 4 times in 2 days! Interestingly the SD helped because in 3 of the cases I ended up with the backrest sitting on the SD handle so it actually stopped me before I got to the ground. However, I don't think that's a manoeuvre officially supported by MaxMobility.

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