When I thank people, I mean it. In this case though, the suggestion you made was irrelevant to my condition. Others who will read the forum in the future may have the same condition that I have and will relate to it.
I'm a walking C5 incomplete, injured in 2006. I have bladder control but urination is much a gravity driven event. If there was one thing I would wish for, it would be freedom from the BP.
As the posts before mine state, every injury is different. My injury received Proprioceptive Neurological Facilitation (PNF), a form of physical therapy that has the therapist manipulate limbs while the patient attempts to command the movement that the therapist wishes. As this was explained to me, while in treatment, the movements are the same that a baby makes when it is learning to move. The goal is to re-teach one how to move. For the first week to ten days of treatment, I had no sensation of movement occurring but the therapists indicated that they could feel the muscles firing. Frankly, I thought this was BS. But as the swelling around the spinal column receded, some small measure of control began to return. At one point, my right arm was placed in ice water for several minutes, and when pulled out, I experienced the first meaningful movement for just a minute or two. The PNF continued, and one day I was placed on a lift table and moved to a vertical position while strapped to the table (much like Frankenstein). As soon as I got vertical, I lost my breakfast and the attempt was abandoned. The next day had this done again, and upon reaching the vertical, a half dozen therapists suddenly appeared and the straps were removed while the therapists supported me. We moved to horizontal bars, and from there, I was taught to walk again. I was released 1 month post injury, and walked out with a hemi-walker. This was with a very poor gait, almost no endurance, and very precarious control. Regardless, being able to stand and look someone in the face was a huge event. I was told that I might expect further improvement for no more than 18 months. In reality, I experienced continued improvement for almost 8 years. Much of the late improvement was due to better muscle control and improved stamina (a lot of which I attribute to getting a dog, which increased physical demands beyond what I might have pushed myself to).
What is walking like? Everyday is different. Gait varies in a manner that is not proportional or linear with walking difficulty. For the first 20 to 30 minutes each morning, my function is at its best, but the day always starts feeling like weights are on my feet (If you've walked with toddlers riding on your feet, that would be the best analogy for an AB person). Each day ends with the feeling of more weight on the feet than on the start of the day. On a good day, the start of the day might feel like 10 lbs weight on each foot and end with 20 to 30 lbs weight. On a bad day, the day can start feeling like 40 lbs weight and end at more than 100. There is no indication when fatigue will occur, and when it does, ability falls off extremely rapidly (I can walk into a store but may shuffle out and barely make it back to the car). I still take my wheel chair if I'm going to do an activity that might push me over the edge, and often will use the chair to increase mobility and hold off the fatigue. Often I will walk well into the fatigue zone though, and this is because my left arm remains weak and using it in the chair can be difficult with a side slope or even traveling in a straight line on a flat surface.
I write this to advise you that use of legs and walking, even when it returns, may not be of the quality that it once was. Also to make you aware, if you aren't already aware, of PNF. I'm absolutely convinced that I would not be walking without PNF.
I’ll comment on the part that I most relate to. I do a liver flush, which includes drinking grapefruit juice and olive oil on an empty stomach. If my stomach and intestine aren’t completely empty, up comes the juice and oil immediately after I drink it. Such a waste of expensive ingredients! So, when you, ray, told about your vertical position causing you to loose your breakfast, I had the funny thought (void of compassion) that maybe, like me, it might have occurred to you to eat a cheaper breakfast before your next therapy session. Lol.
Your description of your progress and limitations are vivid. You have a way of taking the reader along with you through your story. I’m completely bed and wheelchair bound, but I see a parellel in that “stamina” is key to any accomplishment. I can roll around the house in my wheelchair, but when I get to a hospital, I have to ask people to push me, because I run out of breath and my arms get fatigued if I try to go those distances under my own power.
Good for you that the treatment matched your needs.
I’ll comment on the part that I most relate to. I do a liver flush, which includes drinking grapefruit juice and olive oil on an empty stomach. If my stomach and intestine aren’t completely empty, up comes the juice and oil immediately after I drink it. Such a waste of expensive ingredients! So, when you, ray , told about your vertical position causing you to loose your breakfast, I had the funny thought (void of compassion) that maybe, like me, it might have occurred to you to eat a cheaper breakfast before your next therapy session. Lol.
Your description of your progress and limitations are vivid. You have a way of taking the reader along with you through your story. I’m completely bed and wheelchair bound, but I see a parellel in that “stamina” is key to any accomplishment. I can roll around the house in my wheelchair, but when I get to a hospital, I have to ask people to push me, because I run out of breath and my arms get fatigued if I try to go those distances under my own power.
Good for you that the treatment matched your needs.
I'm a walking C5 incomplete, injured in 2006. I have bladder control but urination is much a gravity driven event. If there was one thing I would wish for, it would be freedom from the BP.
As the posts before mine state, every injury is different. My injury received Proprioceptive Neurological Facilitation (PNF), a form of physical therapy that has the therapist manipulate limbs while the patient attempts to command the movement that the therapist wishes. As this was explained to me, while in treatment, the movements are the same that a baby makes when it is learning to move. The goal is to re-teach one how to move. For the first week to ten days of treatment, I had no sensation of movement occurring but the therapists indicated that they could feel the muscles firing. Frankly, I thought this was BS. But as the swelling around the spinal column receded, some small measure of control began to return. At one point, my right arm was placed in ice water for several minutes, and when pulled out, I experienced the first meaningful movement for just a minute or two. The PNF continued, and one day I was placed on a lift table and moved to a vertical position while strapped to the table (much like Frankenstein). As soon as I got vertical, I lost my breakfast and the attempt was abandoned. The next day had this done again, and upon reaching the vertical, a half dozen therapists suddenly appeared and the straps were removed while the therapists supported me. We moved to horizontal bars, and from there, I was taught to walk again. I was released 1 month post injury, and walked out with a hemi-walker. This was with a very poor gait, almost no endurance, and very precarious control. Regardless, being able to stand and look someone in the face was a huge event. I was told that I might expect further improvement for no more than 18 months. In reality, I experienced continued improvement for almost 8 years. Much of the late improvement was due to better muscle control and improved stamina (a lot of which I attribute to getting a dog, which increased physical demands beyond what I might have pushed myself to).
What is walking like? Everyday is different. Gait varies in a manner that is not proportional or linear with walking difficulty. For the first 20 to 30 minutes each morning, my function is at its best, but the day always starts feeling like weights are on my feet (If you've walked with toddlers riding on your feet, that would be the best analogy for an AB person). Each day ends with the feeling of more weight on the feet than on the start of the day. On a good day, the start of the day might feel like 10 lbs weight on each foot and end with 20 to 30 lbs weight. On a bad day, the day can start feeling like 40 lbs weight and end at more than 100. There is no indication when fatigue will occur, and when it does, ability falls off extremely rapidly (I can walk into a store but may shuffle out and barely make it back to the car). I still take my wheel chair if I'm going to do an activity that might push me over the edge, and often will use the chair to increase mobility and hold off the fatigue. Often I will walk well into the fatigue zone though, and this is because my left arm remains weak and using it in the chair can be difficult with a side slope or even traveling in a straight line on a flat surface.
I write this to advise you that use of legs and walking, even when it returns, may not be of the quality that it once was. Also to make you aware, if you aren't already aware, of PNF. I'm absolutely convinced that I would not be walking without PNF.
I wish you and your family member all he best.
Ray, your info on PNF is most interesting to me. I did not have this treatment, but came up with the idea of doing it for myself. I have been paralyzed for more than 13 years now, and am still regaining bits of recovery in various movements. Age is creating losses, but I try to keep a balance between pushing myself too hard/risking too much and just accepting loss. Making the effort to do any targeted physical therapy has helped me gain some and maintain it. And yes, having to take care of the training and needs of my wonderful service dog has created immense incentive to work at PT as much as possible!
sometimes i have questions about my condition and i don't end up asking the question because everyone's condition is different. or i want to say recover differently. So usually i would get my answer reading the post and go on from there but this is no a mechanical or programming problem or maybe it is in a sense.i am only 6 months in from c3 to c7 anterior fusion. my thumbs and pointer fingers on both hands are good to go i can walk! i move carefully with cane. like a chameleon my eyes move in every direction so as not to trip and can sit as long as the chair is 20 inches then i can get up i have tried different exercise methods and have caused myself to lose balance and fall on several occasions,and going up two stairs to my bed room is a nightmare my well meaning friends were pushing me to do my 3 day a week routine but i feel like it knocks me out for a week or two it weakens me to the point of no strength which make movement worse .So finally i stopped listening to every one around me and listened to what my body was saying.so everyday when i wake i do basic house chores cleaning as best i am able to vacuum when i need it, just taking a shower is a workout opening ziplock bags is crazy i use small vise grips and channel locks to pry the bag apart .can opener i do 3 sets of ten only joking . no bulls*** though 5lbs feels like 20 no lie but i cant lie i saw my neurologist two weeks ago and he asked me if there has been any improvement? i thought carefully what i was going to say! and i told him yes on a quantum level i told him when i lay in bed at night my light switch is about two feet above my head on the wall and for a long time i could not raise my arm up either side or bench press because of the obvious but in the last maybe 2 or 3 weeks i can raise my arm up and turn on or off the light switch so not sure what it all means but my exercise routine is basic house work untill my body says differently.Just typing this with two fingers is a chore but i still need someone to carry my laundry or shop for me i get transportation to doctors but need help getting up out of the bench seat in the ambulette the driver has to lift me at least a few inches so my leg muscles will take over anyway im ramblling on and forgot what i was originally talking about sorry!
I know this is an older thread, but it's got me thinking. OP sounds really well intentioned when it comes to figuring out whether their family member will regain their ability to walk, but I think that misses a two more important points.
First, walking isn't the be all and end all of recovery. Truth be told, if I never walked again, but was able to regain things like bladder/bowel control, I'd be happy. I think this might be an insight that can be shared with the able bodied folk like OP that find themselves supporting their newly injured relatives. In many ways, setting aside the question of walking and just celebrating the victories along the way is a way better strategy.
Second, and I'm not saying this is what was happening, but if you're an able bodied person supporting a newly injured person don't tell them things like "I know you're going to walk again" or "there's no reason that you won't be able to walk again." A positive attitude is important, but it can become as toxic as a negative attitude. . .
Just my 2¢
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