Still waiting for the the neurosurgeon to call me. I'm worried now, they will consider this all normal and I"m back to having no answers for my spinal cord injury symptoms and then have to worry about whether to get the fusion or not for my back pain.
r0hbart, I noticed that too about the retrolisthesis. My neurosurgeon who did my discectomy 5 years said I had signficant spondylolisthesis but I think that was a lie because every other MRI report has shown normal alignment. The CT myelogram is the first to show some listhesis but it doesn't look too bad. Also, I'm confused in the report how I can have lateral recess stenosis of the exiting nerve roots but no canal stenosis. I also wish someone would clearly explain how sacralization and lumbarization can be read differently by different doctors.
Today I had a hearing at court. (I started a social court procedure last year to clarify how my health restrictions affect my ability to work.)
The trial lasted 1 and a half hour.
For the first 10 minutes, the judge used to complain to my lawyer that she had submitted so many papers and prepared (written) questions. After that, she taught me that it was not about working up my medical history or making any diagnoses but just how my condition affects ma ability to work.
Now it's getting exciting. We began to discuss the situation.
The expert (the doctor who did the medical reviews, a neurologist) tried to explain that he could not assess my situation because he would not know the cause of my paresis. At the same time, he also denied my medical history and the learned evidence.
One hour later he admitted that there was probably some damage to my cauda equina when I had surgery in 2005. But he refused to call it cauda-equina-syndrome.
When I asked for the exact indication for my former surgery, the judge exploded...
Well, I have to mention, the so-called expert was one of the doctors who dismissed cauda-equina-syndrome 2 years before I had surgery. What a coincidance.
The discussion continued in a similar way. The expert was reluctant to comment on his calculation of performance because he still did not want to know where paresis came from and the judge tried to stop any discussion of medical findings and letters.
Eventually, the trial was terminated and a survey of another expert was agreed. The next expert (a psychologist) should look at the situation from a view of professional knowledge.
Oh well, this expert has already stated in advance that he can not create a performance calculation without knowing what actually causes my paresis...
Today I had a hearing at court. (I started a social court procedure last year to clarify how my health restrictions affect my ability to work.)
Eventually, the trial was terminated and a survey of another expert was agreed. The next expert (a psychologist) should look at the situation from a view of professional knowledge.
Oh well, this expert has already stated in advance that he can not create a performance calculation without knowing what actually causes my paresis...
Today I had a hearing at court. (I started a social court procedure last year to clarify how my health restrictions affect my ability to work.)
Eventually, the trial was terminated and a survey of another expert was agreed. The next expert (a psychologist) should look at the situation from a view of professional knowledge.
Oh well, this expert has already stated in advance that he can not create a performance calculation without knowing what actually causes my paresis...
What a disaster. It really makes me fume how doctors try to worm their way out of any responsibility. Especially here in America, where doctors make a fortune. They love the money, status, multiple wives, sports cars...but God forbid they make a mistake and have to risk all of that for a patients's well being. I am all for people being compensated fairly but you should be an adult and accept when you made a mistake. BTW, I left the neurologist who saw me last year at the same hospital who tried to have me committed to a mental hospital about my arachnoid cyst. She's ducking my calls and messages. Even the neurosurgeon, whom I saw and knows her well rolled his eyes when I told him she thought all my problems were a major psychiatric disorder.
What a disaster. It really makes me fume how doctors try to worm their way out of any responsibility. Especially here in America, where doctors make a fortune.
It is terrible you had that experience. Close to criminal. I do not agree, however, that doctors in the USA make a fortune. They used to, but since the consolidation of the insurance industry led to all these "in network" deals, which only make more money for the insurance companies by driving down doctor's fees, they just don't make that much. The Rheumatologist I saw last week gets $225 per visit but he supports one front desk clerk, 2 nurse assistants that funnel people through, and 2 nurses who do infusions. No doubt the infusions pay for themselves, but the rest? He has to cram a lot of appointments into a day to meet payroll. My Family Practice guy, who is great, only gets $84 per visit. National averages are somewhere between $160,000/year and $200,000/year. Those numbers are not shabby but those people with families will struggle to put kids through college AND put $10-20K /year into a retirement fund. "A fortune" is something north of $500,000/year.
40 years ago my stepfather made very good money as an internist, although that was not his motivation. He loved medicine. When he retired he said the person who bought his practice could never do as well because insurance filings had become such an involved aspect, and so complex, that anyone who had not come to know the systems slowly, as they developed, would be quite lost. The people who had worked for him a long time made the transition work, but the new doctor would never actually understand billing, plus by then doctors had no control over pricing. Pricing is now set by Medicare, in most areas, with private insurance following their payment codes.
You're right. I think i've just become jaded from my personal experiences with arrogant doctors. Also, I went to an elite private school where a lot of classmates were kids of rich wealthy doctors. My parents were upper middle class (dad was an engineering Professor) and only sent me to that school to get the best education available where I grew up. However, so many of these kids slacked off in high school and got avg. MCAT scores yet because of the pull of their wealthy influential parents got into top med schools like Harvard, Hopkins and Penn. And again, most of these guys became doctors for the status and not to actually help people. And btw, I grew up in Puerto Rico where the supposed average doctor's salary is like $120k. However, since most docs only accept cash and a lot of stuff is under the table the average salary is closer to $400k. Also, there are a lot more specialists here in just like on the mainland than internal medicine docs. i've read that in places like Europe there are a lot more internal medicine docs and that just reinforces the notion of preventive care. Here in the US and PR which is technically part of the US, I feel like a lot of people pursue speciality tracks just for the much increases salaries. Like you said, doctors are forced to see multiple patients now in very short periods which doesn't allow them to dedicate as much time individually as necessary to a patient's case, particularly those with difficult histories. That happened to me, as since my father was a renowned professor and I started to have health problems in my junior/senior of college most docs assumed that I was just "a moron who couldn't live up to daddy's expectations" erroneously rather than objectively look at my symptoms and I spent 15 years suffering with all the pseudo psycho babble.
You're right. I think i've just become jaded from my personal experiences with arrogant doctors. Also, I went to an elite private school where a lot of classmates were kids of rich wealthy doctors. My parents were upper middle class (dad was an engineering Professor) and only sent me to that school to get the best education available where I grew up. However, so many of these kids slacked off in high school and got avg. MCAT scores yet because of the pull of their wealthy influential parents got into top med schools like Harvard, Hopkins and Penn. And again, most of these guys became doctors for the status and not to actually help people. And btw, I grew up in Puerto Rico where the supposed average doctor's salary is like $120k. However, since most docs only accept cash and a lot of stuff is under the table the average salary is closer to $400k. Also, there are a lot more specialists here in just like on the mainland than internal medicine docs. i've read that in places like Europe there are a lot more internal medicine docs and that just reinforces the notion of preventive care. Here in the US and PR which is technically part of the US, I feel like a lot of people pursue speciality tracks just for the much increases salaries. Like you said, doctors are forced to see multiple patients now in very short periods which doesn't allow them to dedicate as much time individually as necessary to a patient's case, particularly those with difficult histories. That happened to me, as since my father was a renowned professor and I started to have health problems in my junior/senior of college most docs assumed that I was just "a moron who couldn't live up to daddy's expectations" erroneously rather than objectively look at my symptoms and I spent 15 years suffering with all the pseudo psycho babble.
That is pretty ugly experience. I knew a psychologist who, in the 1990s, did a research survey of people in medical school asking why they pursued medicine. The answers shocked him as the vast majority saw it as a road to lots of money. That is wonderfully ironic since by the 2000s the insurance industry had changed so much that most all those guys were going to end up in big group practices under "network" pricing rules that would make their lives hell and their incomes a disappointment.
There are more than enough arrogant doctors in the world and I treasure the ones I find who understand it is best to collaborate with their patients.
That's true. Growing up, our internal medicine doctor was a wonderful guy. He was old school and had studied in Spain. He could diagnose what was wrong with you pretty much on the spot and without a lot of unnecessary lab tests and imaging. He figured out my mom had cancer a year before a bunch of other arrogant so called specialists doctors had misdiagnosed her with advanced depression (btw my mom is the most cheery person I know). Unfortunately, I can't find one like him here. In Boston, my internal medicine doctor couldn't do anything without referring me to a specialist or multiple labs and imaging and she also didn't like it when I went outside her hospital group. I think there was some smugness on her her part because she went to Harvard and thus thought she was automatically better than anybody else.
That's true. Growing up, our internal medicine doctor was a wonderful guy. He was old school and had studied in Spain. He could diagnose what was wrong with you pretty much on the spot and without a lot of unnecessary lab tests and imaging. He figured out my mom had cancer a year before a bunch of other arrogant so called specialists doctors had misdiagnosed her with advanced depression (btw my mom is the most cheery person I know). Unfortunately, I can't find one like him here. In Boston, my internal medicine doctor couldn't do anything without referring me to a specialist or multiple labs and imaging and she also didn't like it when I went outside her hospital group. I think there was some smugness on her her part because she went to Harvard and thus thought she was automatically better than anybody else.
haha, definitely not a keeper. I have gotten to the point I can say to someone's face, "You are arrogant and play "Me big, you little" with your patients. I will find another doctor and no, you should NOT charge my insurance for this visit!"
Post by phugoi1982 on May 14, 2019 14:39:44 GMT -8
So frustrated and disappointed although this time I can't fault the doctors really, just my crazy messed up body. Just got back from a long appointment. The neurosurgeon looked at the arachnoid cyst and was pretty impressed with the size and said it could absolutely be causing my symptoms but the problem is there is no objective indication because even thought he cord is displaced fairy moderately at T3-T4 there is very mild flattening only. He was thinking about doing a Cyst Fenestration which involves a laminectomy at my Thoracic spine but he's very reluctant without more evidence. He asked another spine colleague to consult right after my appointment and he did another neuro exam thinks the cyst is congenital and and incidental finding based on the fact that I have no muscle weakness or loss of strength. His attitude was the risk of doing a thoracic laminectomy for what is probably not causing my symptoms is too great. I understand his point of view and he felt pretty bad that I'm back to square one with no real diagnosis. But he also does agree that my problems are neurological and possibly inflammatory, just something that is escaping everyone. I'm waiting for the original neurosurgeon to call me back with a plan forward but it looks like I'm on a wild goose chase again. I mean, if I had more physical symptoms like weakness or what not I'm pretty sure they would've immediately done the surgery. I just feel like with any sort of spinal cord injury without physical deficits (walking, arms, legs) they're very reluctant to consider it as a cause. Again, these doctors were total Princes to me. Very respectful, compassionate, and just depressed they aren't sure what to do now and at least not blowing me off. I have mixed feelings. I obviously don't want surgery but if there is even A SMALL chance the Arachnoid cyst is the culprit I'd risk my life and even my mobility because right now my quality of life is almost worthless. I look normal and am judged by able bodied people who can have sex, don't have to strain to use the bathroom, and aren't in agonizing pain at the age of 36 and this has been the last 15 years of my life....And regardless of what happens with the cyst, I have to decide whether to get a fusion done or not which is also weighing on my mind.
I understand your desire for a diagnosis that can explain your problems and above all the desire for a treatment that leads to an improvement. BUT: I would reconsider your attitude in your place.
The neurosurgeons are justifiably reluctant to decide whether surgery makes sense. Surgery on the spinal cord is a very delicate and demanding matter. Maybe you have after a surgery more problems than before. In addition, the likelihood of your symptoms regressing after that long time is small.
I can only speak from my own experience. I had a laminectomy at T 7/8 and a backward shift of the spinal cord. The operation has changed my spinal cord and there is now a mass that was not there before. It is probably scar tissue (neurosurgeons say they are not sure). I have more pain, loss of sensation, cramping and walking problems that I did not have before surgery.
I just want to say that you should not expect too much from an operation, and then you might just be disappointed afterwards. I'm sorry, but that's my honest opinion. Wishing you all the best.
Thank you. I appreciate your honesty but I can't help the way I feel. I've reiterated this on this forum many times but I was treated like garbage by doctors for years as well as my own family and told my symptoms were all psychological so I can't help but feel the "time" factor of early intervention would've fixed my problem so that has shaped a lot of my rage and sadness. it's not just doctors not knowing. That I can forgive. There is a part of my me that wonders if the my L5-S1 disc herniation and subsequent compression and inflammation caused the formation of that arachnoid cyst in the first place given my hashimoto's thyroiditis which is inflammatory. Also, the fact that the 2nd neurosurgeon was discouraged by my lack of gait abnormalities doesn't surprise me much considering that whatever neurological problems I have the presentation is obviously atypical which everyone agrees. The question is what kind of spinal cord injury would affect sensory nerve roots (bladder, genitals, sexual dysfunction) but would spare motor nerve roots and the associated reflex arc so as to preserve muscle and motor strength and Deep tendon reflexes but cause sensory neuropathy and complete sexual dysfunction including reflex erections which are controlled by the autonomic system? That is the million dollar question that no one can answer. I've made up my mind though. I'm going to agree to surgery if my doctor is willing. He has an impeccable reputation and I trust him to minimize complications. After all, there is risk in everything we do. My own microdiscectomy was risky and it turned out ok so that is a chance I'm willing to take.