I'm sorry if you have taken offense to what I have written tetra. However I have lived in about area my whole life where jobs have been shipped out, many to Mexico. And no one can tell me that didn't have an effect here. 5 of 7 major plants from 2 different employers just up and moved. A couple of years later , a hundred miles away a couple of more big employers moved, a few years later 35 miles south of me 5 more big employers moved, leaving only the railroad in a town of 35,000 residents. My home town has dwindled down from over 55,000 to about 35,000 residents. This is how big business has effected the area that I live in. They said in many of these cases that it would lower prices for the farmers and the consumers, it has not. Now the jobs that are left are being taken by bussed in illegal aliens. There are whole apartment complexes owned by some employers who have the illegals living in their apartments, taking the rent out of the illegals checks. The plants are employing almost all illegals , they send most of their paychecks back to Mexico. Tell me how this is good for Americans, they say that the illegals are only taking jobs Americans won't do, that's a bold faced lie. I'm sorry, but I could go on forever on this subject , but I won't. This is my only rant on the subject. I will say a little bit more, as far as prices supposed to drop on these goods being produced either here by the illegals or abroad , the prices have not gone down and in most cases the quality has suffered tremendously. OK, I am done , not picking on anyone , just airing what I've seen, lived through, been apart of, so on and so on ect,,,,,,,,,,,
I'm sorry if you have taken offense to what I have written tetra. However I have lived in about area my whole life where jobs have been shipped out, many to Mexico...
TJ i did not take offense. a good debate is usually useful. You rightly corrected me about jobs, but what happens in one locale is not the whole picture. Absolutely many many jobs have moved to Mexico. Communities have disintegrated as anyone with initiative moved away to other opportunities. It is heart-breaking when communities are impoverished and depopulated because industries, move but there really is no way to prevent it.
Detroit is the poster city for community death from industrial moves, but remember that those moves were really forced by the the failure of GM, Ford,Chevrolet and Chrysler's failures to compete with Japanese cars. their cars were poor quality compared to Asian imports so the American companies were shrinking. Detroit, Flint, and other linked cities, including in Canada, were already suffering a lot. Change is always happening. I personally do not admire the rate of change that has been evolved under capitalism but what could be done? Instituting large tariffs is going to cause much worse damage and conflict but Bannon wants this. He calls for "the deconstruction of the administrative state" and the cabinet nominees have been selected because each has committed to to gutting the agency he is put in charge of.
Long before NAFTA the textile industry moved around to take advantage of low-priced labor. Production peaked in England in 1926, after which many older, 'obsolete' looms were bought up and moved to India where the cotton was grown. In the US textile industry production began in northern Massachusetts and southern New Hampshire to take advantage of water power. From there they decamped to the American South, devastating and depopulating many northern industrial cities, including the one I grew up in. From North and South Carolina clothing manufacture moved to first to Central America in the 1980s, and from there to Asia where we see on our clothing labels that production keeps moving around- China, Vietnam, now I see labels from the Mid-East! Most of those moves did not depend on import tax advantages. They were logical to the industry due to consolidation. Many small producers failed and the bigger ones had no loyalty to particular towns. Equipment advances meant you had to build new plants anyway- why not move to a place offering other advantages like cheaper labor and local tax advantages? None of those things could be regulated except with world-wide oversight, which is absolutely anathema to Trump Republicans.
I don't know what all the results will be of the current Administration's actions, but they will certainly give corporations more freedom to do whatever the believe will make them more money exactly as the textile industry did in it's historic moves around the globe. It is very likely that disruption will be so thorough and unpredictable that production will be disrupted everywhere, resulting in job losses in all countries.
Thank you tetra for your acknowledgement. I'm just worried where our country is headed as far as jobs and employment go. I have many children and grandchildren who I worry about. As far as I go , I could live in the streets as far as I'm concerned. But: as for my family, I want so much better. I'm scared where our country is headed, if not for wars and fighting them, I see that as the only so called industry heading any where. This is a scary situation, this is where my head is at.
Sore point here to Since being disabled i have painfully given work i used to carry out myself to others. not only have locals ripped me off in terms of cost and bad quality but they have also used my disability against me to up costs. Even on small things such as carrying cement bags up one storey i have been charged extra. i owe them them nothing nor do i feel patriotic on these things to just as much as they feel for disability when profits are concerned. I have no problems giving work to African refugees who are not only grateful but also provide quality work at cheaper prices. Reasons i choose to stay on site, to manage both the work and assess they do it safely.
Per your post at 12:25 pm yesterday, Tetra. I tip my hat to your vocabulary. ('Eviscerate', wow!! I had to look it up.) What if the President were to change his mind and say, "We'll pay for the wall ourselves. We can afford it." (Would that garner more public support?) And, I laughed when I read, "The lie is to loudly proclaim there will be insurance for everyone, while in truth they let the idea and present system die. This is an ancient political strategy I call "Look over there!" "
Per your post at 12:25 pm yesterday, Tetra. I tip my hat to your vocabulary. ('Eviscerate', wow!! I had to look it up.)
For years I have simplified my vocabulary in order to communicate on the internet with people from many backgrounds, including those for whom English is a second or third language. I just realized last week that as an older woman my vocabulary is slipping away so I decided to use it for my own edification. Which is a prim and prissy word meaning self-improvement.
Per your post at 12:25 pm yesterday, Tetra. I tip my hat to your vocabulary. ('Eviscerate', wow!! I had to look it up.)
I just realized last week that as an older woman my vocabulary is slipping away so I decided to use it for my own edification. Which is a prim and prissy word meaning self-improvement.
e·vis·cer·ate əˈvisəˌrāt/ verb formal disembowel (a person or animal). "the goat had been skinned and neatly eviscerated" synonyms: disembowel, gut, draw, dress "the goat had been skinned and eviscerated" deprive (something) of its essential content. "myriad little concessions that would eviscerate the project" SURGERY remove the contents of (a body organ).
So, "disembowel". I hope you appreciate this input, DJ.
e·vis·cer·ate əˈvisəˌrāt/ verb formal disembowel (a person or animal). "the goat had been skinned and neatly eviscerated" synonyms: disembowel, gut, draw, dress "the goat had been skinned and eviscerated" deprive (something) of its essential content. "myriad little concessions that would eviscerate the project" SURGERY remove the contents of (a body organ).
So, "disembowel". I hope you appreciate this input, DJ.